95 mtx into an 04 atx?

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:36 pm

I'm considering picking up a 95 DOHC mtx car, stealing the manual trans from it, and putting it into my 04 ATX car.

My questions are: what can I use from the 95, and what will I need to source from a 2gn exactly? I know you regularly need the 2000 pedal assembly and such, but what else would I need to get?

If I can do this with minimal parts to order, and possibly even put my ATX into the 1st gen (and make it work) so I can resell it, I may go ahead with it.

sullivan · Post by **sullivan** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:10 pm

well i belive the 04 neons computer is controlled seperatly from the ECU, so theres one problem down. as far as the tranny's lining up im pretty sure they will!

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:12 pm

Oh yeah, I didn't even think of the computer, but getting one from an MTX car shouldn't be too expensive if needed.

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:57 pm

An MTX pcm for the '04 would be the easiest route, tho maybe not the cheapest. The ATX in the '95, may require some creativity. You coud get a TCM from an '02 neon, but idk if the connectors are the same for the solenoid pack. Around the NGC era they changed the connector shape/style. I found a link that adapters were sold to swap them, but for the life of me I can't find it again. If you obtain the pin outs you could hard wire it, but some kind of connectors would be better, if the solenoid pack ever died.

Edit: you will also need to wire the VSS to the '04 MTX pcm, as the 40te uses a different set up. IDK if the ATX connector has the pins/wires for the MTX style VSS. You might need to swap the pins in the connector to get a speedo reading.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:51 am

So it sounds like if I do buy the 1gn I should take the trans that I need and part out the rest...

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:30 pm

Or find a cheap 3 speed ATX and throw in there. That would be the most profitable option fro resale.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:03 pm

Or purchase the car with someone who has a busted ass 1gn with a good atx and bad motor.

That way I take the mtx from the coupe, they take the rest of the car, toss in their good trans and call it a day.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:04 pm

Wait a sec, isn't the '95 MTX a cable clutch? As such, you'd need the 2000 MTX pedal assembly designed for a cable clutch (a 1GN pedal assembly will not work). Good luck finding one.

Mat00ES · Post by **Mat00ES** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:23 pm

Hmmmm....My sisters fiance bought a 97 r/t.He's taking the DOHC for my sisters car, I wonder if I could work out a deal for the tranny, and give him my 3 speed atx in trade.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:34 pm

Your car is a 2000, right? My comments were for TheRandom1, who has an '04. But you have an '00 like I do. You can use the '97 MTX, but you're still going to need 2000 MTX pedals (or pedals from an early '01 MTX), no other pedals will work with the clutch linkage. You also need an '00 linkage.

I really think there should be an all-caps titled thread stickied in the proper section that says "GOT A 2000 OR EARLY '01 ATX NEON AND WANT TO GO MTX? *READ THIS FIRST!*"

Mat00ES · Post by **Mat00ES** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:49 pm

haha yea, Im just saying. I've have to talk to him tomorrow, I know theres a few 00-01 neons at the jy, just not sure if they are mtx.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:29 am

i love when people mention others not doing research without actually reading the posts in a thread... for example: arro please read my o.p. where I mentioned how I already know I need the 00 pedals.

Graphite SRT · Post by **Graphite SRT** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:51 am

i would just change the bellhousing to hydro and use the proper pedals. 2000 pedals are hard to come by and firewall mods need to be done to make them work in your 04 car. Trust me it sucks, i did it and would not do it again.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:43 pm

Thank you that was my point when I said "Good luck finding one", but I don't think he read my post close enough either, so we're even now

Just stick with the hyrdo setup. The odds of you finding '00 pedal assemblies are low.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:19 pm

I did actually read your post carefully, and it sounded to me like the point was that I hadn't realized I needed this assembly.

So for my error, I apologize good sir.

And since none of this matters since I'm not getting that car anyways... thanks for the help anyways!

sullivan · Post by **sullivan** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:09 pm

i found a 2000 clutch pedal within a day, i also hhave compared a 95 clutch pedal with a 2000. it could be esaly modified to work!

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:34 pm

Ok two things...

first off, that's awesome that you landed a 2000 pedal assembly, because your experience is not typical.

Second, DUDE you have got to post pics of what you say, and if you modify it, show us what you end up doing!

sullivan · Post by **sullivan** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:44 pm

woaaaaaa lol first of all dont call me dude. i just stated something. and as far as the clutch pedal being not typical. there are currently 2 2000 mtx cars im aware of being parted out on 2gn. i jsut sold the 1gn clutch pedal i had, as soon as i take another 1gn clutch pedal out of the 95 i have in the garage. you will be the first to receive comparison photo's...

btw i dont want to start a battle between us. ive enjoyed many of your post's over the last few months, and i also like your car. if you want help locating a 2000 clutch pedal lemme know and ill make a few phone calls.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:57 pm

lol dunno what's up with the dude thing, are you a female? No offense, I really have no idea if that was what you are driving at or not. Otherwise, I call people "dude", "bro", "man", etc. Again no offense, but that's how a lot of us talk online. Slang happens. Anyways I only call people that out of respect, to be honest. If you're a gal, I understand, otherwise (and this goes for anyone else, hence why I'm posting it openly) PM me in the future and lemme know if something I say bothers you, and it's a non-issue I promise

And there's no battle between us, no worries

We've said our piece.

SO, that cleared up (and hopefully ya see it's not said in hostility), yeah there's two peeps on here parting MTX 00's out. That's not very common tho, and I've soured local yards, of which we have lots. I've also been looking off and on for awhile for an assembly. I found one a couple months ago tho, so I'm good to go

BUT... YES! Seriously if you can make the '95 assembly work, that would be awesome, because many people with '00's can use them later, when there may not be an '00 MTX part-out. So you'd be doing the community a great favor with this, and I think I speak for every '00 ATX owner who's thought about an MTX swap.

sullivan · Post by **sullivan** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:07 pm

lol im not a female, where i come from when u call someone dude ur basically showing them no respect. that aside. im going to pull the 95 clutch pedal tmrow. from that i gather the clutch pedal cannot be completely deprresed( it hits the floor in a 00")

i have thought about 3 ways of fixing this.

1) spacers on the end of the tranny cable.
2) shorter plastic conncting peice
3) move the pivot point on the 1gn (more work then most are willing to do lol)

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:17 pm

sullivan wrote:lol im not a female, where i come from when u call someone dude ur basically showing them no respect.

AHhhhhh k, so noted

that aside. im going to pull the 95 clutch pedal tmrow. from that i gather the clutch pedal cannot be completely deprresed( it hits the floor in a 00")

i have thought about 3 ways of fixing this.

1) spacers on the end of the tranny cable.
2) shorter plastic conncting peice
3) move the pivot point on the 1gn (more work then most are willing to do lol)

3 would obviously be the best setup, but I think 1 would be the best choice to pursue, and I think you'll agree. As for option 2, I'd be concerned about the durability of a plastic connecting segment under hard shifting.

supermike · Post by **supermike** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:46 pm

I don't know too much about transmissions and clutches, so what is it that's special about just the 00 pedals? Not that I want to get rid of mine or anything, I'm just wondering what options that opens up for me. Could I swap in a 1gn tranny fairly easily since I have the 00 pedals?

sullivan · Post by **sullivan** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:19 pm

basically where it pivots apply's more pull faster. therefore the clutch is fully depressed before the pedal reaches the floor.... granted the clutch has been properly adjusted.
if you use a 1gn clutch pedal people have noted that you can not fully depress the clutch, before hitting the floor.

i hope that makes sense lol

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:16 pm

Of course sullivan is explaining the difference between the 1G Neon MTX pedals and the '00 MTX pedals.

But the other side of the issue is that 2000 and early 2001 cars are the only years that have that pedal assembly. In the second half of '01 the Neon came with a hydraulic clutch system, and the pedals are totally different (incompatible with the '00 and early '01 MTX cars).

So the point of this discussion is to see if the 1GN cable-type pedal assembly can be *modified* to use as a subsitute when you can't find '00 and early '01 pedals (for an ATX to MTX swap on '00 and early '01 cars).

And in case you're wondering why '00 and early '01 cars can't just switch to the hyrdaulic clutch setup, the hydro cars have a different firewall to accommodate the hydraulic hardware.

supermike · Post by **supermike** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:32 pm

That's interesting, I just figured they were all hydraulic. Do the non hydraulic clutches ever need adjusted or anything?

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:26 pm

The cable clutches, if they carried the 80's tech over have an adjuster built into the clutch pedal that self adjusts. The other earlier suggestion of just swapping bellhousings over is really not that simple. You may as well use a hydro MTX, as the bell housing is half the case. Unless it is a blown MTX, or not the desired gear ratio, then you may as well use the whole thing.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:03 pm

Except that trying to use a hydro anything (bellhousing, entire trans, whatever) means you will need to modify the firewall... the only known method for this that I am aware of is to literally hack out the necessary section of firewall from a hydro car, and hack out the same section of your
'00 or early '01 firewall, and weld the section from the hydro firewall in place.

A real bitch.

Incidentally, there is at least one 2000 Neon that I know of with an SRT-4 powertrain swapped in, and that hacked and rewelded-in firewall method is how it was done (SRT-4's, like other Neons of the same year, are also hydro clutch).

sullivan · Post by **sullivan** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:08 pm

which is sad..... personally i prefer the cable clutch ive driven both. and you can "feel" the clutch alot better i find with the cable.

supermike · Post by **supermike** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:12 pm

I kind of want to go test drive a hydro now, just to feel the difference.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:12 pm

Well that's comforting to know, since I'm going to be swapping to all the '00 correct MTX hardware (I got lucky and obtained everything).