Engine Swap??

onewickedkid05 · Post by **onewickedkid05** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:24 pm

So im not sure where to put this

I definately Want to go Turbo i origninally was going to turbo my stock motor with eistenmeirs kits (yes i know i spelled his name wrong) however my buddy is telling me to buy another 2.0 motor so that i can do a bunch of motor work to it before i turbo that way my car isnt out of commision EVERY time i do work.......should i get another 2.0 motor or try and find a srt motor (hard to find here)

and what problems will i have with emissions if i do either or and how do i get around it

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:34 pm

um.

theres a motor swap SECTION!

onewickedkid05 · Post by **onewickedkid05** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:35 pm

lol i guess it shoudl of went there huh..leave me alone its almost midnight and im hammerd MY BAd someone move me to Motor swap

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:58 am

Funny. I was JUST thinking about something like this - except N/A.

I think you should definatly think about getting another stock motor and building it up if you are gonna go 2.0T. From what I've gathered, our engines can only handle low (and I mean low) amounts of boost in stock form. That boost number should be even lower depending on the amount of miles you have on the block. Would that VERY low boost even be worth it?

BUT after you have spent money on building up the motor, getting all the turbo supplies, and taking tons of time working with MS (just check Anthony's log

) it would almost just be worth it to go SRT-4 swap.

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:11 am

I'll move this over here to Motor Swap, due to the title, even though it fits in both.

Now, as far as a stock internal engines not being worth it...tell that to Erick who ran 12s on a stock block. It really boils down to a good tune and understanding the limits of your platform at factory specs. I successfully ran 10-12 psi on an SRT-4 turbo and then a .50 trim before swapping in my 2.4L.

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:16 am

hul kogan wrote:I'll move this over here to Motor Swap, due to the title, even though it fits in both.

Now, as far as a stock internal engines not being worth it...tell that to Erick who ran 12s on a stock block. It really boils down to a good tune and understanding the limits of your platform at factory specs. I successfully ran 10-12 psi on an SRT-4 turbo and then a .50 trim before swapping in my 2.4L.

Well then I stand corrected.

onewickedkid05 · Post by **onewickedkid05** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:24 am

i know and thats really all i need something with a nice low 13 maybe high 12s fun car.......but i dont know whether it would be easier to drop the 2.4 in and do it or buy another 2.0 motor and build it up to do it.

I also have to worry abotu emissions and i dont see how i can pass with my 2.0 motor all MSd up and stuff if i were to use the 2.0 platform would it be best to start with a magnum motor or wont it matter

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:31 am

The stock internals will pretty much start to hate their life at 250 lb/ft tq. It seems to be the point where things start breaking. Keep your numbers under that on a good tune and you should be fine.

So based on this information, you are pretty much looking at the full potential of stock internals. Since the pistons and rods are the weak point, swapping in some aftermarket ones can greatly increase your potential. While your in there, though, why not start beefing up other areas? Thus begins the snowball effect...haha!

Contrary to popular belief you don't need a 2.4L swap to make big numbers. They can be had on both platforms. It really just depends on what YOU are after as far as the end product.

onewickedkid05 · Post by **onewickedkid05** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:38 am

i guess it would be cheaper to obtain the 2.0 block then it would the 2.4 plus id have a hell of a time trying to find the 2.4 block around here.

would it matter the year block i get? if its going to be running in my 2000 probably with MS?

neonslg09 · Post by **neonslg09** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:38 am

it would just be more of a road block if you bought a motor 03+ because of NGC. but those are the ones that have the lowest amount of miles. its probably why anthony is having many problems with his tune.

even though i havent done any FI, i would with 03+ motor. just because of the lower mileage on them.

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:57 am

onewickedkid05 wrote:i guess it would be cheaper to obtain the 2.0 block then it would the 2.4 plus id have a hell of a time trying to find the 2.4 block around here.

would it matter the year block i get? if its going to be running in my 2000 probably with MS?

Yes, it would definitely be easier to get ahold of a 2.0 than an SRT-4 2.4. Finding a non-SRT 2.4 would be pretty easy, but there are a ton of hassles that come along with doing that swap. I had to do a lot of custom pieces and figure out a number of things on my own because no one had really done it before in a 2nd gen. As of right now, I am the only one I know of running a non-SRT 2.4 in a 2nd gen and mine is boosted. There was a guy who had a 2.4 from a Stratus, basically running at stock spec, but he was in an accident and the car was totaled. I spoke with him briefly on here while doing my swap and he hasn't been back since.

You will want to get a non-NGC block to have the easiest experience. They changed the crank sensor in 03 (from what I recall), so your PCM won't be able to read the trigger. If you decide to go MS, that would change the situation. I am going to highly recommend it. Well worth it and you will thank yourself later. Believe me, I avoided MS a long while but my car has never ran as good or had the potential that it does since going MS.

onewickedkid05 · Post by **onewickedkid05** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:10 am

then i guess ill get a hold of a 2.0 block sounds little easier to me i know they have good potential

ZeroChad · Post by **ZeroChad** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:30 pm

^That sounds like a great plan. Its the way I would have went in your situation.

onewickedkid05 · Post by **onewickedkid05** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:47 pm

now i just need to find me a decent motor to work on and store