newlite's project: Major update, whippin somthin up on pg. 4

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:50 am

a23dranger wrote: only the sbec mexician 2.4 has the bosses in the block to mount that. mounts in the same holes as the ngc 2.4 intermediate shaft.

Careful there, this is how missinformation is spread. Take a closer look at the pics where this is mounted to the ngc block. It does use ONE of the mounting holes that the srt intermediate shaft uses but only one. It sounds like you are implying that this mounts the same, and is the same other than the axle set up. This set up differs in that it clears the crank position sensor, something the srt intermediate shaft mount does not do. As for the turbo stratus block being the only sbec block with the bosses...i find this hard to beleive. Why would chrysler go throught the trouble? At the very most, you might have to tap the holes but the boses are almost certainly present on all sbec 2.4 blocks. Ill have to get some proof which is why I worded my responce the way I did....since I do not know for a fact yet. I dont think una would steer anyone wrong though.

Please dont miss-understand this post, I am just trying to prevent miss-information...but you could very well be correct concerning the sbec block.

srtjesse · Post by **srtjesse** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:24 pm

newlitemotorist wrote:I have been looking for a good srt clutch for some time, they will hold anything an N/A set-up could dish out and even the occational spray or two. This one looks like it has plenty of life left and should get me by for a while...I will buy a new turned srt clutch when this one goes out. Its nice to be able to break in a new motor without having to break in a new clutch at the same time as one or both could be compromised in the process.

yeah i hear ya i got mine for 40 dollhairs lol with about 20k miles so in mint condition never even seen the track or hard bursts to redline but i got impatient and sold it. who turned yours down i was going to have a guy i canada do mine for 180 total thats including me shipping it to him doing the work and sending it back to me. are you going to make the clutch cable adjustment tool or do you have a hydraulic transmission.

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:42 am

i got mine for 115 shipped turned and ready to go! Dont know who turned it....but there is a guy on the org. who sells brand new srt clutches turned for the t-350s for a good price.

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:47 pm

Got some more stuff in the mail!!!

Everything I will ever need!

2.4 King bearings with ceramic coating...paid to have the rod bearings coated and they did them all....lucky break i guess.

a23dranger · Post by **a23dranger** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:56 pm

newlitemotorist. did you look at the 2 thread i posted up and look at the pictures of the blocks and such.. the mounting holes for the srt/pt intermediate shaft and the mexican stratus equal lenght one you have there are using the same holes in the block. which only the sbec mexican and the ngc blocks have those bosses in the blocks to use ether setup. now with the srt/pt shaft the mounting bracket would put the shaft right at the sensor and mounts up a hair higher. while the mexican stratus equal shaft one mounts it back father away and a little lower to clear the sbec crank sensor. but both usesthe same 2 mounting holes. you have to look closely at the pictures in both threads i posted and in google searches to catch it and see the differences

as for dodge making different blocks. they do it and other dumb things. just like why did ford have completely different rangers and option combinations then the u.s along with other companies.

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:45 am

a23dranger wrote:newlitemotorist. did you look at the 2 thread i posted up and look at the pictures of the blocks and such.. the mounting holes for the srt/pt intermediate shaft and the mexican stratus equal lenght one you have there are using the same holes in the block. which only the sbec mexican and the ngc blocks have those bosses in the blocks to use ether setup. now with the srt/pt shaft the mounting bracket would put the shaft right at the sensor and mounts up a hair higher. while the mexican stratus equal shaft one mounts it back father away and a little lower to clear the sbec crank sensor. but both usesthe same 2 mounting holes. you have to look closely at the pictures in both threads i posted and in google searches to catch it and see the differences

as for dodge making different blocks. they do it and other dumb things. just like why did ford have completely different rangers and option combinations then the u.s along with other companies.

I see what you mean with the mounting locations. I didnt check out the second link you put up....just the fs add. I am using a late 02' large casting sbec block that I need to check out to see if it might be an exception to the rule. It resembles the ngc block in almost every way except for the obvious things. I just need to head to my machine shop to take a look.

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:26 pm

Well damn...a23dranger, you were correct in your statements and my block does not have the bosses. I sure hope you didnt think I was calling you a liar...just wanted to check for myself before I agreed or completely disagreed.

To anyone interested, since I cant use it I will be selling this equal length half shaft set up after I clean it up and spritz some paint on it. You need to check your block to make sure you can use this. Best bet is if you have an ngc 2.4.

I learned something new here, thanks! Update coming soon...ms install.

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:32 am

Here is what I went through this weekend and yesterday. Im just gonna put up the pics for now, I may add some comments later. The ms is completely installed but I am still running with the stock ecu till next weekend. Please ignore my dirty and neglected engine, its coming out soon!!!

Fix yours too! Mine was a fire hazard...I did this months ago but this is the first time I was able to get a good look at what I did.

a23dranger · Post by **a23dranger** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:13 pm

Dont get rid of the equal length setup yet, make a drop bracket or something to be able to use it. Thats what im doing with my pt turbo auto intermediate shaft and pt turbo auto axles with my t350 trans and 2.4 swap.

runs with scissors · Post by **runs with scissors** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:28 pm

I'm going to buy you a soldering iron for Christmas.

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:11 pm

runs with scissors wrote:I'm going to buy you a soldering iron for Christmas.

Edit: Jamie I didnt realize that was you....I see you got alittle more creative with your user name...lol Im gonna leave this response here so people can see my reasoning.

Why cus soldering is better?

I have a friend who is an aviation mechanic that puts me in the know when it comes to wireing. Keep in mind in the aviation world, regulations and standards are much tighter/higher respectively. According to him a good crimp connection is considered superior than a soldered connection because soldering does not resist corrosion. Ever taken an old toy apart or an old tool? The wires almost always break away at the solder points if your not careful.

Now I understand this topic is more a matter of oppinion, and some would tend to argue otherwise. I choose to listen to my friend simply because of how stringent the regulations are in the aviation world. No other reason.

I use real crimpers too, not the kind you buy at the auto store that smashes the connectors flat. the connectors I use are the weather proof items as well. Heat shrink em and they seal at the same time.

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:45 pm

Small update: Had to get new tires yesterday. Im still up in the air on the size I went with again...same size as last time. 225 50's but always wanted to see what 45's looked like.

These were what they had in stock in my size

so I went with em. They are continental extreme contact dws 225/50/zr16s. Pretty happy with em so far. Ill get some pics posted a little later.

srtjesse · Post by **srtjesse** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:16 pm

nice progress cant wait to see the car done man

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:30 pm

UPDATE: Megasquirt has taken over and she runs. Been sort of a rough day, stupid little things but all in all the car is running pretty good with all things considered. Needs alot of fine tuning but runs very close to stock right now. Seems a little rich at idle, rough too but with enough time and research im sure ill get it. Not the nightmare everyone warned of. You just have to plan ahead.

Pics coming soon.

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:46 am

newlitemotorist wrote:UPDATE: Megasquirt has taken over and she runs. Been sort of a rough day, stupid little things but all in all the car is running pretty good with all things considered. Needs alot of fine tuning but runs very close to stock right now. Seems a little rich at idle, rough too but with enough time and research im sure ill get it. Not the nightmare everyone warned of. You just have to plan ahead.

Pics coming soon.

Awesome.

Glad to hear the good news.

It must be quite satisfying and a rush, to hear the car start up and run, after doing all that work.

- Nick

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:18 am

NickKo wrote:Awesome. Glad to hear the good news.

It must be quite satisfying and a rush, to hear the car start up and run, after doing all that work.

- Nick

It is most deffinitely satisfying when you read others having nothing but trouble. I have ran into a few hicups but after I got the lc1 installed the car was much more tuneable and is now running better than it ever did before. I still have some cold start issues and even warm start issues but after it is running it runs great!

Heading to the garage to try and install my adjustable rear control arms. Pics will be up later today hopefully.

Cheers

What Neon? · Post by **What Neon?** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:43 am

I fixed the headlight fire hazard issue by installing relays under the hood. to defer the load from the switch to the relays and only use the switch to flow trigger current. And now on high beam all 6 filaments are on. Fogs with parking light.

saint12 · Post by **saint12** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:21 am

nice spot for the ms

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:35 am

nice progress man! havent talked to you in forever but that trans i bought off you a long time back is finally getting installed with a fresh engine. I'm excited

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:44 am

r/tguy02 wrote:nice progress man! havent talked to you in forever but that trans i bought off you a long time back is finally getting installed with a fresh engine. I'm excited

Man whats up!?! I totally forgot about that pt tranny. I was like....huh....he must have me confused with someone else but now I remember packing that thing up. What a bear!

Update...we have a new member to our family as of two weeks ago. I now have two women in my life taking or claiming most of my time lately and then my two year old son get the rest...lol

As for the car, I have almost everything together for the engine build. Megasquirt has been a dream. I havent messed with it for weeks and the car fires right up every morning like I never did anything to it. Once things settle down a bit in my world Ill get this thread cought up.

Thanks for looking! By the way, my daughter's name is Addelynn Mae.....she already has me wrapped around her finger, I am so screwed!!!

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:06 am

Congrats on the little one, she's gonna be a handful lol

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:37 pm

BIG update! I've been busy but things are about to get really interesting!!!

The time has come to let the cat out of the bag. Its getting harder and harder these days to be different and I have always been one to take the road less traveled. At first glance, you will think that what I am doing has been done already but my set-up is on the far side of the fence and bears only two things in common with the "other" guy. We both have 2nd gens and we both have one of these:

I wonder whats in the box?

What could this be?

Ohh yeah....

I got the full kit, lysholm twin screw sc, manifold, and everything else which was originally included in this kit. Now for the details. I have slowly given away little details here and there which pointed in a totally different direction.

Here is the list: I have everything listed

Lysholm 1.2L twin screw supercharger
*2001 pt 2.4l block bored .040
*2001 pt cylinder head, ported, port matched to sc manifold, and over sized exhaust valves
**ARP head studs**
*Ceramic coated King brand rod and main bearings
*pt oiling system
*srt oil cooler
*srt rods, shot peened, honed, and fitted with ls1 arp bolts
*wiseco forged 12.4:1 compression pistons
*stock 2.0 cams with pt lifters and rockers---may move up to crower stage 2's
*srt timing pulley's and tensioner, gates blue belt
*Fast Fabrications version 2.0 stepped primary long tube header
*exiting through either 2.5 or 3in pipeing...havent desided yet.
*Tuning with Megasquirt 2 with 3 bar map sensor
*Running e85 for fuel....every other station has this stuff where im at
*Delphi 1000cc injectors
*rewired walbro 255
*Spraying with water/methanol, direct port injection homemade kit

Will be professionally tuned by Matt Monday, on the dyno. Shooting for 12-15psi.

Sounds crazy, everyone shuns the high comp + boost concept but with todays fuels my tuner and I feel it can be done and be streetable. If it cant be done then ill run a head shim....but thats unlikely.

Power goal...have no idea! Whatever comes my way...

Do stay tuned!!!

Johny · Post by **Johny** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:33 pm

siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick, good luck on the tune

a23dranger · Post by **a23dranger** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:34 am

You get that off a guy on a pt forum or ebay? Same dude selling was it. I looked at that kit and passed since I heard a lot of things about having issues with those kits blowing up pt motors

Good luck on it though

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:13 am

looks like you've got a good setup planned, i think high compression is fine but 12.5:1 is a bit much, maybe thats just me...

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:24 am

a23dranger wrote:You get that off a guy on a pt forum or ebay? Same dude selling was it. I looked at that kit and passed since I heard a lot of things about having issues with those kits blowing up pt motors

Good luck on it though

I did get it off of ebay...well I watched it end and thought about it for a while. Read what I could and finally made up my mind to contact Adam from Henessy Fabrications who owned it. The issue with this kit was the fuel controller, not the supercharger itself. Alot of guys concluded that the whipple controller was junk but I am not using it so I should be fine. Going to run it with megasquirt which will do everything I need.

As for the compression, in all honesty I am looking into haveing the pistons fly cut to get the comp down just a little. Ideally I would like to see 11:1 but that may require new pistons which I am not going to do. Like i said, if I have to run a head shim I will but either way the compression will still be high.

ZeroChad · Post by **ZeroChad** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:09 am

Interesting. Its nice to see someone else planning a high comp boost build. I haven't seen any head studs mentioned yet. I'm thinking you'll want to pick some up help battle the crazy cylinder pressures you're going to get.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:22 am

Good to see you are having Matt do your tune. He's a good guy. Just do yourself a favor and figure out how to get an intercooler in there. When I installed/tuned Chris' MS, I was shocked at the heat that blower was putting out. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've baked cookies at lower temperatures.

a23dranger · Post by **a23dranger** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:14 am

Yeah the fueling suck for that kit. The other issue was how the manifold was made and distrubting the air flow to each cylinder. When I get home I can send you the link to the info about it. That kit you have is the revised one so you should be ok..

Also since ur running ms you be able to deal with each cylinder and there lean or rich issues that the manifold causes.

Can't wait to see it and I'm glad its on a 2gn. I was gunna grab it like I said to be different but passed on it

newlitemotorist · Post by **newlitemotorist** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:53 pm

esteinmaier wrote:Good to see you are having Matt do your tune. He's a good guy. Just do yourself a favor and figure out how to get an intercooler in there. When I installed/tuned Chris' MS, I was shocked at the heat that blower was putting out. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've baked cookies at lower temperatures.

Thats the one issue with putting this kit in a neon, there is not much room to work with once its installed, leaving little room for an aftercooler. That is why I have opted to run a direct port injection water/meth kit. If I have the pistons cut down to 11.5:1, seriously thinking about it now since my machine shop charges 10 bux per piston, I should be able to run more water than meth which will cool the charge down substantially. 100% water can bring charge temps down as much as 200* or more if my sources are correct. 50/50 water meth has good cooling and octane raising qualities but we'll just have to see what happens and what I end up running.

I am using a walbro fuel pump as my water/meth pump and I am running a large trunk mount tank. The other cool thing is I can buy methanol all day long and write it off on my taxes since I use it for work during the winter! I know many would rather no have to constantly keep an eye on something like that but with an aftercooler you still have a pump that could go bad and chemical cooling is more practical in my case.

Zerochad: I am definitly running head studs, just didnt have them listed. Also, very sorry for not getting back with you on the flywheel. Plans have changed obviously and i will need to beef that end of my drivetrain up very soon so a complete kit is in my future.

If there is anyone out there that would like to trade trannies with me Im looking to swap my 3.94 hd for a 3.55 hd, gonna have some traction issues to deal with soon.

Thanks for looking.