Future Plans for my baby.

Moparty08 · Post by **Moparty08** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:07 am

So after spending the better part of 3 hours looking at and reading the FAQs and using the search function I finally have a plan put in place. These are all things I plan on doing to my car within the upcoming years. Let me know what you guys think. Some mods are pretty general but that's just because I don't know what brand I will be going with. I'm open to suggestions as well. Let me know what brands you might have had luck with and maybe some to steer clear of.
Well Turbo then

Intake

1. Aem CAI With Splash Shield
2. MPx 60mm Throttle Body
3. AMM Short Runner IM

Exhuast Full 3"

1. Magnaflow Cat back exhaust
2. Aftermarket Mid Header
3. Dual Outlet Exhaust
4. Highflow Cat
5. Stainless Resonator

Engine

1. MPx Bottom End Rebuild Kit with forged internals 8:8:1 compression
2. Port and Polish Magnum Head
3. Valve job
4. Comp 400 Cam
5. Magnum Valve Springs
6. Adujustable Cam Gear
7. Catch Can
8. Indy SS valves
9. Boomba Fuel Rail

Exterior

1. Complete body work- Dings, Scrapes, Rust spots
2. Rust proof coating underbody
3. Srt Hood With Scoop
4. 4300k Hid Kit
5. Dual outlet cut outs rear bumper
6. New Fogs 4300k Hids
7. Debadged/remove mouldings
8. Bumper Flares
9. Front & Rear Lips
10. Side Skirts

Suspension

1. BC Inverted Coilovers
2. Hotchkis Sways
3. Motor Mount Inserts PC'd
4. Vertical A Arm Bushings Psi Fi Brand Solid Steel Traction Bushings
5. DCR Control Arms

Wheels

1. Aftermarket Alloy Rims 16x7" 5x100
Tire Size 205/50/16

Interior

1. Cruise Control OEM
2. Blacked out pillars
3. Blacked out Headliner
4. Blacked out visors clips
5. Damplifier Pro Complete Interior + Trunk
6. Luxury Liner Pro Complete Interior + Trunk
7. Glove box light
8. Cupholder light
9. 3 Pod Pillar

Electrical

1. Full Led Swap
2. Upgraded grounds
3. Battery Relocation
4. Boost gauge
5. Oil pressure gauge
6. Fuel Pressure gauge

Brakes

1. Rear disc setup
2. Slotted Street Rotors
3. Hawk Pads
4. Stainless Steel Brake Lines
5. Calipers Painted Blue or PC
6. Knuckles Painted Silver or PC

Dress Up

1. Pc valve Cover
2. Stainless coolant lines
3. Repaint Engine bay
4. Custom Fuse Box Cover
5. Custom Radiator Cap
6. Custom Oil Cap
7. Stainless tranny oil dipsticks

Transmission 3 Speed ATX

1. High Perf trans rebuild kit
2. 3000 high stall torque converter
3. PGLSD
4. Street/Strip Valve Body
5. Trans Cooler

Turbo

1. ASP Turbo
2. FMIC
3. Greddy Bov

ZeroChad · Post by **ZeroChad** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:46 am

Comp 400 or bust! Especially if your getting the mag springs. It'll help it breath better with those internals. If your'e staying away from na, you might even want to try a crane 14+

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:04 am

^^^ what he said....plus whats the point of MS with that setup, you arent going to gain much being N/A, and with the cam you are using you wont need a higher rev limit. if anything i'd just get an r/t pcm to help advance timing a bit and give you a higher speed limit, and if you get a mag manifold it will control that as well. if you dont mind spending the extra 2-300$ pick up a mag head and port that and slap it on.
other than that looks good man!

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:45 am

Finding a used '01/'02 R/T or ACR PCM won't be easy, then most of them have SKIM. If your car has SKIM it is not as big an issue.

EDIT: RPM's are only about 50 to 60 higher before the rev limit, and the higher top speed, I have yet to ultilize. To be honest, I really can't tell via the tach that the RPM's are actually any higher.
It does actually make a difference with better octane tho.

(with my SE pcm I really didn't get any benefit, just less fuel mileage.

I agree with a more agressive cam.

Speed control will almost have to be sourced as used, as there aren't many new '01 s left on the shelf. If you go to the '03 - up steering wheel availability will be better. At least for new stock.

Moparty08 · Post by **Moparty08** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:23 am

ok so updates. Thanks for the help everyone. my car doesn't have skim so it might be a problem. got rid of ms and upgraded to the 400. That's why you guys are the experts and i'm just learning this stuff.

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:02 am

yeah O.D. i didnt think about that

good call skim is a pita. as far as finding them they're around, came across an 01 for 80$ few weeks ago but it has skim.

as for the speed limiter i take advantage of it, +115 anyway, but its all up to the driver and what you plan on doing with it.

I also wanted to note, if you're staying all motor upgrade the tranny to a 3.94(r/t acr) you'll really appreciate having that. So long as you dont drive on the highway for long distances lol.

....and if you get an aem cai it comes with a dry flow filter so the k&n one wouldnt be necessary.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:11 pm

I got my R/T pcm a few years ago on ebay. Didn't know if it was SKIM or not. Put it in a little over a year ago. I get a SKIM comunication error code, but it may be because I have an R/T cluster also. I didn't get the SKIM code with the SE PCM tho. But it works, so either it doesn't have SKIM, or it is broke.

Moparty08 · Post by **Moparty08** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:23 pm

r/tguy02 wrote:yeah O.D. i didnt think about that good call skim is a pita. as far as finding them they're around, came across an 01 for 80$ few weeks ago but it has skim.

as for the speed limiter i take advantage of it, +115 anyway, but its all up to the driver and what you plan on doing with it.

I also wanted to note, if you're staying all motor upgrade the tranny to a 3.94(r/t acr) you'll really appreciate having that. So long as you dont drive on the highway for long distances lol.

....and if you get an aem cai it comes with a dry flow filter so the k&n one wouldnt be necessary.

I just wanted the cruise for night time driving. I like using it by setting it to the speed limit so i don't get pulled over. got a big ticket once cause i was having too much fun at night.

I will look into the upgraded trans too. I'd like to stay with the auto 3 speed though don't know what the r/t acr's had. I'm not looking to drag with this thing at all just a fun dd. When you're talking long highway trips like what do you mean long? i think the longest i'd be going for now would be 50 miles and that's about it. Just to boston.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:30 pm

50 miles wouldn't be too bad, but the '02- ? PT 5 speed has the taller o.d. with the 3.94 gears.

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:40 pm

yeah lose the auto my friend, you wont go back

Moparty08 · Post by **Moparty08** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:10 pm

I gotta keep it for my girlie so she can still drive the car

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:15 pm

Good looking list. The only thing I would suggest is going to a 205 width tire since you will have 7" wide wheels.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:25 pm

Danteneon wrote:Good looking list. The only thing I would suggest is going to a 205 width tire since you will have 7" wide wheels.

X2!

The 205 50 16 is actually closer to the 185 65 14 in height.

And they ride nicer too. At least mine do. I thought they would be worse. I was wrong. But at least it was in a good way.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:46 pm

Aftermarket intakes are 100% not worth the money. Get something off ebay or fabricate one of your own if shiney pipes are your thing. I can't see spending $175-200 for an AEM intake...

Moparty08 · Post by **Moparty08** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:54 pm

occasional demons wrote:
Danteneon wrote:Good looking list. The only thing I would suggest is going to a 205 width tire since you will have 7" wide wheels.
X2!

The 205 50 16 is actually closer to the 185 65 14 in height.

And they ride nicer too. At least mine do. I thought they would be worse. I was wrong. But at least it was in a good way.

Ok when i was using the faq tables and calcs i came up with the 195. I switched it to the 205. Thanks for helping me refine this. Never had a plan in place just always thought of things that i'd like to do but never got it written down.

Adionik wrote:Aftermarket intakes are 100% not worth the money. Get something off ebay or fabricate one of your own if shiney pipes are your thing. I can't see spending $175-200 for an AEM intake...

I'm not gonna buy brand new. I'll look for used if i can.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:02 pm

Moparty08 wrote:Ok when i was using the faq tables and calcs i came up with the 195. I switched it to the 205.

Yeah, he doesn't cover the 14" sizes

http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalcul ... ion=submit

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:51 pm

They're still not worth what they cost used

Moparty08 · Post by **Moparty08** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:02 pm

Well i'll think about it. They always worried me anyway being up in new england with all the slush and snow in the winter. For the past few years it's seemed we've had a lot of spring flooding. Is it still ok to drive in downpours with a cai? if not then i'll figure something else out.

excon · Post by **excon** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:28 pm

go turbo. If you have that amount of plans it's more cost effective...

i wish i had gone turbo...

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:29 pm

Yeah, I was gonna tell you that's quite a bit of cash and it's not going to yield a whole lot of gains. But no, CAIs are terrible to drive in the rain. You can get hydrolock...which would pretty much involve a whole new motor

Get a turbo, you'll have a slew of stuff to purchase. Plus they make cool noises

neonslg09 · Post by **neonslg09** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:53 pm

excon wrote:go turbo. If you have that amount of plans it's more cost effective...

i wish i had gone turbo...

you still can! ill even drive the hour and a half and come help.

do itttt.

Moparty08 · Post by **Moparty08** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:56 pm

Ok i guess you guys convinced me. Didn't take much. but pretty much my knowledge of turbo is limited to
VROOOOMMMMM PSSSSHHHHHHHHH
I guess i'll have to do some more research.
Screw the cai. Maybe i'll figure something else out. What's the best with a turbo? I don't think i'll run big psi with the turbo just dd friendly maybe 8-10 psi

Chris04sxt · Post by **Chris04sxt** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:29 pm

Moparty08 wrote: What's the best with a turbo? I don't think i'll run big psi with the turbo just dd friendly maybe 8-10 psi

If it's gonna be a DD, I personally wouldn't bother turboing it. Just from my experience with my Eclipse, you get more headaches when you add things that weren't meant to be there in the first place.

If you wanna turbo it, do it the right way and either completely rebuild the motor, or buy a spare motor and rebuild it and turbo it. Don't try to do it on worn internals and hope for the best. Even 8-10 PSi can do some damage on a motor that isn't used to seeing boost.

Moparty08 · Post by **Moparty08** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:35 pm

yeah that's why i was planning on doing an N/A setup. It's gonna be my dd no plans to go to the track or anything. It's my grocery getter and kiddiemobile. Ok good so i got another angle to it. i think i will definitely stick with N/A then. I just want something that's fun. And like i said above i know shit about turbos.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:43 am

The only mods that will really do anything are the intake manifold, cam, and header. And that will really just move your power band up the RPM range. Unless you do internals and start to bump compression, you're not going to make much more power at all. More just moving it around.

A boosted car makes TONS more power, but does require a little maintenence here and there. Although by the time you've changed out all these other things, you're going to have the same kinds of problems.

These neon motors are tough buggers though. I ran 10+psi on my own for a long, long time. Way longer than would be expected for all the drag racing and part testing I was doing.

All in all, bolt-ons won't do much but waste your money. Turbo will be a lot more fun, but will go through your money all at once. Glasswars has our kit, and even at less than 6psi, he has no problem taking down any N/A neon on this forum.

Moparty08 · Post by **Moparty08** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:30 am

Ok well i'm like a pendulum right now. I keep swaying back and forth. Well i guess when the time comes i'll have to figure it out. Turbo definitely sounds good. I'm sure my kids being a little older they might have as much fun as me in a boosted car. estein pm me so we can talk some more about your kit and stuff.

UNDERGROUND6T9 · Post by **UNDERGROUND6T9** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:26 pm

you are about to drop like 10 grand on a neon, just buy and srt-4 and save your self some trouble trust me. If I knew back then when I started I would have bought a new car. Im to deep already, my only alternative at this point is to doa full srt-4 swap. just my two cents.

neonslg09 · Post by **neonslg09** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:31 pm

UNDERGROUND6T9 wrote:you are about to drop like 10 grand on a neon, just buy and srt-4 and save your self some trouble trust me. If I knew back then when I started I would have bought a new car. Im to deep already, my only alternative at this point is to doa full srt-4 swap. just my two cents.

yea me too. i wouldnt have bought a new car though, i would have left everything stock, except for the suspension, and saved it all up to purchase a turbo kit. kicking myself for it now. but, i'm 18. explains some of it. but not all.

Moparty08 · Post by **Moparty08** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:32 pm

I'm gonna keep it. Maybe someday i'll have an srt on the side too. for now this is my route. Plus i'll save a ton on insurance with just an se instead of srt. Plus i'll have plenty of money each year to put a couple grand into it. once i get a job i'll be working my ass off and then my girl will be working too so instead of my money going all to her she'll have her own.

neonslg09 · Post by **neonslg09** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:34 pm

Moparty08 wrote:I'm gonna keep it. Maybe someday i'll have an srt on the side too. for now this is my route. Plus i'll save a ton on insurance with just an se instead of srt. Plus i'll have plenty of money each year to put a couple grand into it. once i get a job i'll be working my ass off and then my girl will be working too so instead of my money going all to her she'll have her own.

you need to search hard. hard. for a job.

right now.

get off the computer. and go hunting