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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:37 pm

I'm curious about other peoples opinion on my current situation. I know Sean is fully against it, so I'm curious to see about others. Any question about it shoot. Feel free to voice your opinion, I won't lock this one unless it goes really bad. promise :D

And to put this up front: Get over the Neon being sold now. Its gonna be gone so deal with it.


This is what I posted in the random posting section:

I need a car with some balls (yes this is a need for me). My Neon has been great to me over the last 5.5 years, but its time for it to go. Regardless of whether the Monte or an F Body is my car the Neon will be gone.

The Monte is one of those cars that you need a good bit of time to mess with, its almost 25 years old and like many 25 year old cars things like to break from age.

I personally have no problem putting a kid in the back of an F Body. I have experience driving a RWD car in all weather since I drove the Monte through a couple winters, all it takes is a couple bags of salt in the trunk and a steady foot.

An LT1 car looks to be pretty reliable. The biggest complaint is the Optispark system, but it doesn't look like its more than a fancy way to say o shit I have to replace the cap and rotor on a distributor, which is just normal maintenance. LT1 cars are also looking to be pretty reasonable as far as price is concerned. Selling the Monte and the Neon and buying an LT1 F Body will have money left over.

I do not feel that my child would be endangered in any way. LT1 F Bodies get decent fuel economy. This car would be driven minimally. I put around 7000 miles on my Neon in the last year and a half, including a 1000 mile trip to Niagara Falls. So whatever car I have is far from a primary driver. Plus the Caliber would be the main family car for trips and such. I would pick the kid(s) up in the Prius because that is my every day car.

Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it, just as you are sticking to yours.

Besides, how bad ass would this be in the back of a Camaro:

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yes i understand the kid needs to be atleast 20lbs to use this seat.
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Post by Ntyvirus1 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:48 pm

i know a chick down here that had a custom fiberglassed child seat, complete with fake nitrous bottles and a tv. do what you gotta do
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Post by LowNSlow » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:08 pm

I strongly disagree with getting a LT1... of course it can make power. Anything can... but if I was to buy a F-Body, it would atleast be a 98 Z28. (LS1)

You can find 98 Z28s anywhere from 4500-10k on up obviously.

I found a non molested very clean 98 Z28 for $4500 a while back. It had like 90k miles and stock. I wish I would have jumped on it.
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:15 pm

I'm looking at all 4th Gen F Bodies, but its typically the LT1 versions that are in my price range.

If I come across a decent LS1 you can bet your ass I'll get one. I'm not looking for massive power. I just want a car that is either stock or very mildly modded (CAI, catback, maybe headers) that has some move to it. 132hp doesn't cut it.
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Post by synviper » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:32 pm

lincoln mark 8 lsc could also be a fun two door. seen one on the road back from michigan seemed to have to good pick up, and sort of a sleeper. But i dont know if your only going for GM vehicles.
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:36 pm

I'm mainly looking at GM vehicles, I grew up on Chevy's so I'm a little biased.

I'm not really much of a fan of Ford. Also, not a fan of the Mark 8 just kind of blah looking to me.
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Post by synviper » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:38 pm

true true, yeah if i ever got a camaro it would be early 80's Iroc just because my dad use to have one back in the day and it was awesome! would u buy like a caprice/impala ss because i know early 90's they came with the lt1
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:04 pm

Looked up Impala SS's and they are expensive, minimum $13k up to and over $20k. They were a very rare car.

I don't think the Caprice had one, just the 9C1 cop cars, which are hard to come by as well and probably beat up.

I'd rather get a little newer car if I'm going to get one. I like the 3rd gen, but getting a car that is 10 years younger would be a big plus for me.
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Post by SOKADAO954 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:15 pm

I say go for it Frank. Im sure You would be very carefull with your child in the car. :thumbup:

And yea that seat is bad ass. And glad your understand child has to be 20lbs to use the seat!! :rockon:
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:19 pm

There is a Recaro seat that is for infants but it doesn't look as cool and is like $300. I'll wait til the kid puts a little weight on and then get the simpson.
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Post by ragek23 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:19 pm

ugh the F-body, I am still cleaning up the blood from those pictures you showed me. thanks frank. BTW that car seat is exactly what the doctor ordered :thumbup:

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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:20 pm

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Post by SOKADAO954 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:22 pm

Take your kid to BK for lunch/dinner and it will gain few pounds quick!!!!!!!!
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Post by Midnight_Rider » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:25 pm

racer12306 wrote:I'm mainly looking at GM vehicles, I grew up on Chevy's so I'm a little biased.

I'm not really much of a fan of Ford. Also, not a fan of the Mark 8 just kind of blah looking to me.
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:33 pm

I thought about those. Never did look up the price on them. I would assume they are a little steep due to the short run and only being 5 or so years old iirc.

I should look them up though.
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Post by JeffM » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:35 pm

Love the LT1 F-Bodies. Yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum. :-D
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Post by Ntyvirus1 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:36 pm

racer12306 wrote:There is a Recaro seat that is for infants but it doesn't look as cool and is like $300. I'll wait til the kid puts a little weight on and then get the simpson.
but i like the recaro seat :roll:
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Post by MoxHair » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:36 pm

How's the Mullet coming along Frank?
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:37 pm

Now for everyone, I'm not really looking on opinions of the car. I know they are bad ass ;)

How about the situation?
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:38 pm

MoxHair wrote:How's the Mullet coming along Frank?
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:39 pm

Ntyvirus1 wrote:
racer12306 wrote:There is a Recaro seat that is for infants but it doesn't look as cool and is like $300. I'll wait til the kid puts a little weight on and then get the simpson.
but i like the recaro seat :roll:
Don't get me wrong, the Recaro is a nice seat and it looks extremely safe with all the padding and support they put into it. The Simpson one just looks cooler to me.
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Post by SOKADAO954 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:17 pm

racer12306 wrote:
Ntyvirus1 wrote:
racer12306 wrote:There is a Recaro seat that is for infants but it doesn't look as cool and is like $300. I'll wait til the kid puts a little weight on and then get the simpson.
but i like the recaro seat :roll:
Don't get me wrong, the Recaro is a nice seat and it looks extremely safe with all the padding and support they put into it. The Simpson one just looks cooler to me.
Simpson is bad ass IMO. Even has a cup holder!!!!!! :rockon:
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:40 pm

Most car seats have cup holders.
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Post by INVUJerry » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:59 pm

I think you'll be fine with it. You know how to drive a car, you wont be driving it a lot, I think it's a good idea.
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:15 pm

Just got some info from the insurance company.

Its around $16 less per month to insure a 98 Camaro Z28 instead of a 2004 Neon SXT.
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Post by TheRandom1 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:23 pm

Jerry, you're telling him that selling both of his cars now (of which, I wouldn't expect to get more than 6Kish combined) for a 5K car (basically having roughly 750ish left out of that deal after title transfer, etc) WHILE TRYING TO GET PREGNANT is the responsible thing to do?

That's my argument. He has a Prius for WORK. Not supposed to do personal shit in it. His wife has a Caliber, close enough to the mommy-mobile.

So the Camaro would sit in the driveway almost useless while he's out of town working, and get an OCCASIONAL drive around, 90% of the time with the kid. Higher insurance higher theft rate on a car that will just sit in the open. Not to mention, selling ONE of the two cars, either the Neon or the Monte, you still have a backup vehicle that's less likely to get ripped off, PLUS you aren't potentially buying someone else's problem.

In my opinion, and my main argument here, it is more financially responsible (not to mention more parentally responsible, IMHO) to dump the toys for now, and keep as much spare cash around as possible since kids are really damn expensive. After a year or two of being a daddy, decide if you can really afford that f body, or whatever toy you want. You'll have a much better idea of where your at, financially, as well as whether it's even worth it to have a kid.

Don't forget Frank, Jessica will be taking care of the kid 90% of the time with your work schedule, so when you ARE home, you need to have time set aside for her, as well as for her to get some fresh air away from the kid.

Also, Frank has mentioned that he wants to take the F body to the track... with the wife and kid. Wife, sure. A toddler or younger, has no business at all being at the track even with adequate ear protection, IMHO. Too many ways for them to get into trouble. Not to mention, you'd be having fun... Jessica would still be watching the kid. Not exactly a break for her.
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Post by SOKADAO954 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:34 pm

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Post by INVUJerry » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:45 pm

TheRandom1 wrote:Jerry, you're telling him that selling both of his cars now (of which, I wouldn't expect to get more than 6Kish combined) for a 5K car (basically having roughly 750ish left out of that deal after title transfer, etc) WHILE TRYING TO GET PREGNANT is the responsible thing to do?

That's my argument. He has a Prius for WORK. Not supposed to do personal shit in it. His wife has a Caliber, close enough to the mommy-mobile.

So the Camaro would sit in the driveway almost useless while he's out of town working, and get an OCCASIONAL drive around, 90% of the time with the kid. Higher insurance higher theft rate on a car that will just sit in the open. Not to mention, selling ONE of the two cars, either the Neon or the Monte, you still have a backup vehicle that's less likely to get ripped off, PLUS you aren't potentially buying someone else's problem.
His Prius is for work, sure, however, the company allows you to use it on your way home from work. A person with a child gets lee-way on this also. They expect you to get out of work at whatever time, rush home, hop into your personal car, and then drive to pick up a child? I think not.

You also don't know where Frank lives. He lives in a relatively low-crime area. I've driven home my 74 dart, my 98 neon car, everything and not had an issue. I live in a high-crime area. There is no issue with this.

Having a car sitting around wont kill it, and he will drive it to wherever he drives the neon now.
TheRandom1 wrote: Also, Frank has mentioned that he wants to take the F body to the track... with the wife and kid. Wife, sure. A toddler or younger, has no business at all being at the track even with adequate ear protection, IMHO. Too many ways for them to get into trouble. Not to mention, you'd be having fun... Jessica would still be watching the kid. Not exactly a break for her.
The track is fine for kids. They make shooter's ears in child sizes for a reason. Plus, the way cecil county is setup, you can get a good distance away from the track, still have a good view, and not be near all the noise. If you are an attentive parent (basically not a retard), you will not have an issue. When I take my kids to the track, there is no problem. I'm sure Jessica understands that Frank is a driver at heart, and not doing this is getting to him.

My wife has plenty of fun at the track while I run, talking to people, grilling (which she likes to do) and of course, watching wheel stands.
TheRandom1 wrote: In my opinion, and my main argument here, it is more financially responsible (not to mention more parentally responsible, IMHO) to dump the toys for now, and keep as much spare cash around as possible since kids are really damn expensive. After a year or two of being a daddy, decide if you can really afford that f body, or whatever toy you want. You'll have a much better idea of where your at, financially, as well as whether it's even worth it to have a kid.

Don't forget Frank, Jessica will be taking care of the kid 90% of the time with your work schedule, so when you ARE home, you need to have time set aside for her, as well as for her to get some fresh air away from the kid.
He could potentially sell his monte for $5k and the neon for $4k. Not $6k combined, but $9k. He could then purchase an LT1 for $5k. That puts $4k in the bank for expenses, unknown issues, and of course, child products. It will also save him insurance money MONTHLY. $16 a month equates to $192 a year.

He will still be there for the child, it's not like him buying this Camaro is gonna make him a mullet wearing (well..) dead-beat father that only wants to spend time out in the garage drinking Budweiser and turning wrenches on the car listening to Lynard Skynard.
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Post by TheRandom1 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:20 pm

OK then, time for some sniping...
invujerry wrote: His Prius is for work, sure, however, the company allows you to use it on your way home from work. A person with a child gets lee-way on this also. They expect you to get out of work at whatever time, rush home, hop into your personal car, and then drive to pick up a child? I think not.
Actually yes, a LOT of companies do expect that since their car is not to be used for personal business. However, since I'm talking about this in more of a "day off, let's go pick up the kid from daycare" type of way, your post is completely irrelevant...


You also don't know where Frank lives. He lives in a relatively low-crime area. I've driven home my 74 dart, my 98 neon car, everything and not had an issue. I live in a high-crime area. There is no issue with this.
It's funny that THIS of all things is your argument. See, I currently live in a low crime area. You may recall a few months ago when my headlights were stolen.
I also lived in a low crime area before this current place I live. Assclowns were coming from a half hour away and stealing shit from our cars. My next door neighbor had an old 'Cuda that he had completely restored sitting in his garage with the door open most of the time. They ignored it. Why? Hell if I know, but it makes no difference. Fact is, if someone sees something they want, they will take it, no matter how nice of an area you live in.


Basically, this post is again, useless.


The track is fine for kids. They make shooter's ears in child sizes for a reason. Plus, the way cecil county is setup, you can get a good distance away from the track, still have a good view, and not be near all the noise. If you are an attentive parent (basically not a retard), you will not have an issue. When I take my kids to the track, there is no problem. I'm sure Jessica understands that Frank is a driver at heart, and not doing this is getting to him.

My wife has plenty of fun at the track while I run, talking to people, grilling (which she likes to do) and of course, watching wheel stands.
First off, let me clarify that I'm not calling Frank or Jessica (whom I've never met) a retard. I know you're not saying I am, just want to make sure everyone is clear on this. Secondly, even with an attentive parent, a kid can slip away very easily. It only takes a couple seconds. And with cars traveling at relatively high speeds, a child running around is NOT a good idea. In my opinion, that is.

He could potentially sell his monte for $5k and the neon for $4k. Not $6k combined, but $9k. He could then purchase an LT1 for $5k. That puts $4k in the bank for expenses, unknown issues, and of course, child products. It will also save him insurance money MONTHLY. $16 a month equates to $192 a year.
Sure. And Brodie can reasonably expect to get $8500 for his Neon.
He will still be there for the child, it's not like him buying this Camaro is gonna make him a mullet wearing (well..) dead-beat father that only wants to spend time out in the garage drinking Budweiser and turning wrenches on the car listening to Lynard Skynard.
And nobody is accusing him of liking Budweiser (much more offensive than having a mullet) however, he won't have a lot of free time AT ALL with a kid, so having a toy just doesn't make sense. Not until everything is settled down and the kid is perhaps in school or something.

What I really want to know now... why is everybody so gung ho on having everything at once? Everybody seems to be completely ignoring the idea of have a fucking kid, THEN see if you can still be a kid at heart with your toys. Is it really such a horrible idea to go without a toy (and added expense) for a year or so to make sure that there is going to be enough cash to take care of a kid? I don't think so...[/b]
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Post by Mr Josh Zombie » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:25 pm

as much of a dick as Sean is sounding, i believe his main point is correct.

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