03 in 00 plymouth

0_m_3_n · Post by **0_m_3_n** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:51 pm

i've been wondering for some time now... is there a difference between the 2000 and 2003 pcm? i just replaced a blown motor in my 2000 neon with a 2003 motor(thats what the guy told me).
Its running fine but if im loosing a lil power from it that would suck! lol

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:40 pm

You've been told wrong. They don't work. May as well take the motor out of your washing machine and expect your PCM to run it.

ragek23 · Post by **ragek23** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:19 pm

U probably are loosing power but its not the PCM's fault. The 03-05 motor has a lower compression ratio. 00-02 engines had a slightly higher compression ration. Otherwise as long as u use the orig. 00 sensors and harness the org. computer will still work.

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:33 pm

It's not an 03 motor if its running. swapping in an 03 requires swapping all the engine harness and computer from an 03+

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:21 am

ragek23 wrote:U probably are loosing power but its not the PCM's fault. The 03-05 motor has a lower compression ratio. 00-02 engines had a slightly higher compression ration. Otherwise as long as u use the orig. 00 sensors and harness the org. computer will still work.

00 sensors will not work on 03+... viewtopic.php?t=45424

ragek23 · Post by **ragek23** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:22 am

o good call u learn something new every day, but in his post he says the car is running so i am assuming he swapped out just the head or the bottom end? I think we need some more input on this one.

0_m_3_n: what did the shop tell you went bad on the neon? Did he tell you specifically what he changed out?

Donkeypuncher · Post by **Donkeypuncher** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:17 am

I doubt a shop would go through the trouble of a ngc swap like that. It's more likely the engine was a 00-02 so you should be good.

Was it the pistons that lowered the compression on the 03+? If so, even the head wouldn't change much.

n20sxt · Post by **n20sxt** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:48 am

esteinmaier wrote:May as well take the motor out of your washing machine and expect your PCM to run it.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:13 am

ragek - The show told him they put an 03 motor in there, thats why we said that shop is full of shit lol.

donkey - yea it was the pistons that lowered it.

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:09 am

The shop may be just as ignorant as the JY it got the engine from. They are just lucky they got an '02 - older engine, or the dumbasses would still be scratching their heads.

0_m_3_n · Post by **0_m_3_n** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:42 am

the car seems to be running like normal (idle n everything) but it just has no balls.

ragek23:
i actually bought the car for $150 and seen an 03 motor for 350 on craigslist so i went for it. i wasn't planning on having them put it in though but it sounded cheap. they did the "swap" for 300 in 3 days.

when i had bought the car from a friend he said he blew the motor and it wouldn't start even when i had a friend check it out (i wouldn't know what to look for

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Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:11 pm

If you can see under it well enough, look above the oil filter, see if there is an electrical connector to a sensor. should be directly above the aluminum filter housing that bolts to the block, and the filter screws onto. That would be the crank position sensor. You may need to be under the car to see it.

Edit: Also key "on" three times. Do not engage the starter, just to the run position. Leave it in the on position the last turn. See if there are any codes stored. They should display on the odometer. Then it should say "dONE" when finished, or there are no codes.

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:20 pm

0_m_3_n wrote:the car seems to be running like normal (idle n everything) but it just has no balls.

We all have that problem. We drive neons.

0_m_3_n · Post by **0_m_3_n** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:51 pm

would there be a number on the motor somewhere that would give me the year of it?
Also i would like to thank everyone for the help

great forum!

occasional demons:
whats it mean if that sensor is there? I'll check that tonight

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:18 pm

0_m_3_n wrote: occasional demons:
whats it mean if that sensor is there? I'll check that tonight

It means it is an '02 or older engine.

There should be a machined area near the starter, lower part of the block. That spot has something stamped there. I'm not sure what is stamped there tho. I guess it never got the best of my couriosity.

I'm sure if you posted it, someone could tell you what it means.

An NGC block will have the crank sensor near the ID code.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:32 pm

\/ 1995-2002 block. Notice the CkPS hole is between the #1 and #2 cklinder and is located on the exhaust side right above the oil filter (where the cylinder block and the bed plate mate).

\/ 2003-2005 block. Notice the CkPS hole is between the #4 cylinder and the rear of the engine (where the cylinder block and the bed plate mate).

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:35 pm

03blackrt:

Knowing where to find the right pic, priceless.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:47 am

As the pictures above show, the NGC block has the crank position sensor on the front of the block near the bellhousing where the non-NGC has it located in the rear....
03+ block's will not work in 02under vehicles without complete harness/pcm swaps or a standalone engine management system....