Pt Alternator

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:30 pm

What year pt's came with the 120 amp alternator? Napa show's the 01 and 02 having 100 or 120 available, and then the 03 04 05 only show 100 amp.

ZeroChad · Post by **ZeroChad** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:14 pm

I think the 05 neon came with it, not sure about the pts though.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:39 pm

05 did if it was made after May. Mine was made late 04.

blueneo03 · Post by **blueneo03** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:22 pm

what is a way to tell if it is a 120 amp?

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:33 pm

The rated output is usually shown on the alternator label.

But I could be wrong.

brr wrote:Part# Rating Years Motor APP Manu.
4793190 83amp 1995-97 ECB/ECC (neon) Melco
4793692>692AB 83amp 1998/99 ECB/ECC (neon) Melco
4794222AA>AD 85amp 2000-05 ECB/ECH (neon) Mitsu
5033177AA >AB 100amp 2001-02 EDZ (PTCruiser) Mitsu
^^^ This part is no longer available through DCx^^^
5033253AA 120amp 2001-05 ECC/EDZ (PTCruiser) Mitsu
^^^ This part replaced the 100amp that was previously used^^^
56029701AB 136amp 2004/05 EDV (PTCruiser) Denso

Hopefully this helps with a few questions.......

BRR (aka BlackRoseRacing 2GN)
DCX employee for 7 years......

EDIT:
5033253AA 120 amp MSRP $259.00
56029701AB 136 amp MSRP $267.00

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:10 pm

136 amp one comes off the turbo car. Will it bolt up also?

Trying to get this light dimming problem fixed. Did big 3 upgrade. Put an oversized battery in it. Last thing to do is alternator.

And just incase anyone was wondering I used an EverLast Maxx Group 35N from walmart. 800 CCA for 75 + tax.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:13 pm

ANyone know if turbo alt will work?

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:55 pm

heydockyle wrote:ANyone know if turbo alt will work?

If I am not mistaken, it should BOLT IN, and 'plug in', too (unless the connectors are different, which I doubt.)

The problem might be with the stock wiring, which might not be able to handle the increased output, unless you go a gauge or two bigger.

- Nick

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:57 pm

Grounds are already bigger. Making the wire from the alt to the pdc bigger is no problem.

Not will running one of these bigger alts hurt performance any?

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:40 pm

heydockyle wrote: Not will running one of these bigger alts hurt performance any?

Not sure what you mean.... Are you asking if not running a larger alternator will affect your performance ??
Or are you asking if running the larger alternator will hurt performance in any way ?

Or are you asking if not upgrading the alt.output wiring will hurt your performance ??

- Nick

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:02 pm

If running the larger alt will hurt performance.

Caraudioholic24 · Post by **Caraudioholic24** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:04 pm

I thought the newer pts ran 140 amp alts.
I also thought the 05 neons ran 120 amp alts???

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:46 pm

FWIW....

neon

PT

136 amp output seems to be the highest PT alternator available. 4 more "rated" amps, really wouldn't be worth the hassle.

Edit: A higher output alternator will only hurt engine performance when it is under a load that requires the extra output. But then, so would the 120 amp, or any other. The real question would be, does the 136 amp require any more hp to turn @120 amp output, than the 136 amp @136 amp output. That answer, we will prolly never know.

Caraudioholic24 · Post by **Caraudioholic24** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:13 am

oh ok so I need to get an 04 Pt Alt. I want the most/max I can put in there without any issues. I was told that certain late production 05 sxts had a highter output. I that true?? Thanks occasional.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:25 am

Caraudioholic24 wrote:oh ok so I need to get an 04 Pt Alt. I want the most/max I can put in there without any issues. I was told that certain late production 05 sxts had a highter output. I that true?? Thanks occasional.

heydockyle wrote:05 did if it was made after May. Mine was made late 04.

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:48 am

Caraudioholic24 wrote:oh ok so I need to get an 04 Pt Alt. I want the most/max I can put in there without any issues. I was told that certain late production 05 sxts had a highter output. I that true?? Thanks occasional.

The '08 PT's also had 136 amps for the higher end models.
120 amps in the '05 SXT is an upgrade from the previous years. But the PT is prolly cheaper? from the dealer.

IDK the PN for the '05 Neon alternator. dodgeparts.com shows the list price the same as the 136 amp PT, ($267.00) but we know it isn't the same alternator.

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:05 pm

occasional demons wrote:
Caraudioholic24 wrote:oh ok so I need to get an 04 Pt Alt. I want the most/max I can put in there without any issues. I was told that certain late production 05 sxts had a highter output. I that true?? Thanks occasional.
The '08 PT's also had 136 amps for the higher end models.
120 amps in the '05 SXT is an upgrade from the previous years. But the PT is prolly cheaper? from the dealer.

IDK the PN for the '05 Neon alternator. dodgeparts.com shows the list price the same as the 136 amp PT, ($267.00) but we know it isn't the same alternator.

Hmmm, this could pose some liability if the OEM wiring can't handle 136amps. hmmmmmmmmm

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:21 pm

The price is similar, but that's prolly where it ends. IDK if it is even the 120 anyways.
But for arguments sake...

The oem wiring would fail at the fusible link.

8 gauge would prolly hold up. It worked on the huge 100 amp alternators in the 70's New Yorkers, so at worst, it may get warm. But I don't see a melt down, and besides, how often are you maxing the rated output anyways?

Caraudioholic24 · Post by **Caraudioholic24** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:07 am

HMMM I may have a low mileage 120 amp Altenator for sale here soon. Not sure If its worth the hassle for 16 amps!!!

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:21 am

Caraudioholic24 wrote:HMMM I may have a low mileage 120 amp Altenator for sale here soon. Not sure If its worth the hassle for 16 amps!!!

What do you mean 16 amps? Reg neon is only 85..

Caraudioholic24 · Post by **Caraudioholic24** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:34 am

no I mean that I have the 120 but want to upgrade to the pt 136 amp. Not sure if its worth it thought. Car only has 25000 miles

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:49 am

Yeah, that is a tough sell. A couple hundred for 16 potential amps. Actual output and rated are not always the same. Usually 90% of rated out put is with in acceptable limits. Because most times, nobody will know the difference.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:56 am

Did the pt come with a 2.0? Because the junkyard told me they have one for a 2003 pt cruiser with a 2.0.

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:27 pm

nope, it only came with a 2.4.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:56 pm

Thats what I thought. Junkyard idiots.

Thanks

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:12 pm

Exports may have come with a 2.0, there are 2.0 DOHC parts listed in the parts catalog.

Now whether those parts are available is another matter.... Most likely just a 2.0 bottom end. 2.4 top end.

But that is another topic.... smack my ph*ckin' fingers for bringing it up.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:24 pm

Surely a local junkyard wouldn't have a mess of export pt's sitting around lol.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:30 pm

From what I can tell, the export 2.0 DOHC is the same set-up as the 1st gen Neon.

OK, now /theadajack

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:31 pm

5033177AB? According to the part numbers above is 100 amp. The alternator I got says it's the 120 family.

wiggyx · Post by **wiggyx** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:24 pm

occasional demons wrote:Yeah, that is a tough sell. A couple hundred for 16 potential amps. Actual output and rated are not always the same. Usually 90% of rated out put is with in acceptable limits. Because most times, nobody will know the difference.

Well, by that measure both the 136 and 120 would be rated at about 90% which would still mean a 14-15 amp jump.