AFX 03r/t PCM Works but : ( added new optima battery

v95 · Post by **v95** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:23 pm

So as most of you know or don't today I went to Dodge motor-sports of Vineland New Jersey to have the afx pcm programed. The Dealer itself has a specialist there who knows how to do these sort of things to get around Chrysler vin problems.

I paid approximately 98.00 dollars to do this programing of the vin. This is because they said and I quote "to get around this you need a special tool to get around the program being re-formated. Chrysler tools will always reformat the program back to stock."

When I got home I installed the PCM. the instillation should take no more than 15 to 20 minutes and 40 if you have no clue to what your doing.

First test was RMPS. still ends at around 6800 rpms

Second test power 1-2 2-3 85mph. Power is there and I can feel a difference in the power to the wheels I'd say it feels aboout 20 to 25 more horse power. Dyno will come soon. cause I still have the stock and pcm I'm saving.

Third test was Gas consumption 1 tank of Shell V-power 93 octane.
just so you all know that Shell V-power 93 octane is what I normally use. my gas millage did not change by much instead of getting around 29 to a tank I now got about 27 but i really do not think thats a big difference considering I drove it like I stole it. now I can for sure say I feel the difference of the aem adjustable cam at 3 degrees advanced, and it got rid of the check engine light for that. it may come back not sure.

I still have yet to test the top speed but I was able to hit 116 with ease.

Here is a list of what I currently have done to my r/t as of 10/16/2009.

AEM CAI
Pace Setter full headers back exhaust
Greddy Catch can
Gran Spark plug wires
NKG Iridium Spark plugs
AEM Blue adj Cam at 3-degrees
Comp 107-400 cam
60mm lfs throttle body
04 r/t injectors
95 sohc Fuel Rail

the new battery added a few more horse power cause I can fell the car pull a bit more. so i think its more of the spark plugs getting better juice don't really think it is the pcm.

sneakers O'toole · Post by **sneakers O'toole** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:40 pm

srtjesse · Post by **srtjesse** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:44 pm

so what you are trying to say is that its really not worth it because it didnt make that much of a diff?

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:47 pm

V.95srt wrote:So as most of you know or don't today I went to Dodge motor-sports of Vineland New Jersey to have the afx pcm programed. The Dealer itself has a specialist there who knows how to do these sort of things to get around Chrysler vin problems.

I paid approximately 98.00 dollars to do this programing of the vin. This is because they said and I quote "to get around this you need a special tool to get around the program being re-formated. Chrysler tools will always reformat the program back to stock."

THANKS for the update !!!!!!

What's really cool, is that you were able to find a dealer to work with you.
I don't think that $98 is excessive, either, considering what you are getting in return.... AND that they were able to hook you up with a technician that KNEW what he was doing.

Does this tech do 'house calls' ??

I'd like more info on their proceedure !!

srtjesse wrote:so what you are trying to say is that its really not worth it because it didnt make that much of a diff?

What I *think* he means is that, he feels a difference on the 'butt dyno', but doesn't want to say that it works & that it is a success, until he gets REAL dyno results.

Butt dyno results can be deceptive, once he gets real dyno results, then we will know for sure.

- Nick

srtjesse · Post by **srtjesse** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:54 pm

oh ok now it makes cense

v95 · Post by **v95** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:55 pm

I personally expected a lot more from it but it did so far it solved the cam issue and the 60mm issue I had with codes. for the money I really think it is an okay trade off but only if you send back the other pcm. I did not so mine was still around 560 total but if you send back the other pcm he gives you the 190 core charge back.

unfortunately I do not think he makes house calls and if he does I don't think they are cheap.

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:02 pm

I would see if I could get a PCM from a JY for cheap to get my $190 back. Since they don't mess with VIN's screw 'em if it's not from your car. As long as the year matches.

v95 · Post by **v95** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:27 pm

occasional demons wrote:I would see if I could get a PCM from a JY for cheap to get my $190 back. Since they don't mess with VIN's screw 'em if it's not from your car. As long as the year matches.

yeah that a good idea but my 1 month has past a week ago.

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:46 pm

WTF? You only get 30 days to return the core, and no support to get the one they sent programmed.

Yeah, that's a winning combo.

The best part of those ppl ran down their mama's leg.

v95 · Post by **v95** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:52 pm

Yeah it true only 30 days to return your core.

True statement to your last statement.

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:54 pm

V.95srt wrote:unfortunately I do not think he makes house calls and if he does I don't think they are cheap.

Yeah, I know..... I was only kidding.

However, it's good to know that there IS such a 'proceedure' or process available, to put in the VIN without downloading a new software update into the PCM.

I wonder if the Chrysler techs have a 'name' for this 'proceedure' ??
( Updating the VIN in the PCM, without doing a software update )

- Nick

v95 · Post by **v95** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:13 pm

NickKo wrote:
V.95srt wrote:unfortunately I do not think he makes house calls and if he does I don't think they are cheap.
Yeah, I know..... I was only kidding.

However, it's good to know that there IS such a 'proceedure' or process available, to put in the VIN without downloading a new software update into the PCM.

I wonder if the Chrysler techs have a 'name' for this 'proceedure' ??
( Updating the VIN in the PCM, without doing a software update )

- Nick

IDK but I should him the instillation guide and he knew what it was talking about so I'd say at least one person at the shop has to know.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:26 pm

as everyone always state, use the search button......
The Vin can be transfered without any issues on any sentry enabled pcm. When it comes to Non-Sentry, a fresh pcm can only be programmed once. As for software updates messing with current programing, the tech has to aprove the download before any changes are made.
The AF/X pcm will be rev limited to either 7500rpm or 8K....
As for power increase's, if you do any mods you should reset the pcm allowing it to recalibrate it's readings....
any more questions about the af/x pm let me know since I have had 5 of them

Fuzzyneon · Post by **Fuzzyneon** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:16 pm

dyno it dont make up ricer math numbers

v95 · Post by **v95** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:13 pm

Fuzzyneon wrote:dyno it dont make up ricer math numbers

on my imaginary dyno I read

Not Enough Rice combusting in the engine so no dyno because of miss fire.

excon · Post by **excon** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:07 pm

semi-win?

v95 · Post by **v95** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:29 pm

codes throw for cam again but not for 60mm yet. cam gets adjusted to 2 tomorrow to see if there is any difference.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:04 am

That's great! I'm glad that you guys have finally discovered that it's not just a stocker. It's too bad that it's still setting codes for common mods. One more reason I like MS... Update whenever you want for free. No $98 VIN programming charge required.

So let's get this straight. The improvements we have found are:

Speed limiter raised to an astronomical level or removed.

Ignition advance increased.

Possibly reduced sensitivity for TPS/MAP correlation check engine code. (Common for throttle body or boost, even with portfueler that's supposed to be perfect.)

What still isn't fixed:

Stock redline

Cam position code

The fact that it's still an NGC and will pull timing long term at any hint of knock.

darthroush · Post by **darthroush** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:17 am

Change the gas too and see what happens. A lot of the good tuners, well in the Mustang world anyways, tell people specifically not to run Shell because it is a poor gas. Perhaps give Chevron or 76 a try. Those are recommended quite often.

JeffB#2 · Post by **JeffB#2** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:55 am

V.95srt wrote: I can feel a difference in the power to the wheels I'd say it feels aboout 20 to 25 more horse power. Dyno will come soon.

20-25 will not happen with a PCM change. Especially with the same rev limit being that low.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:01 pm

Yup, agreed. Even a standalone can't do that unless your mods include tons of compression and a much more aggressive cam profile. 10 would be a lot to ask from this ECU.

v95 · Post by **v95** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:26 pm

esteinmaier wrote:Yup, agreed. Even a standalone can't do that unless your mods include tons of compression and a much more aggressive cam profile. 10 would be a lot to ask from this ECU.

yeah i'll need help cause i want to install my megasquirt unite soon

DR. GONZO · Post by **DR. GONZO** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:46 pm

well thank you for postin this becuase now i'm def not gonna waste my cash on this seeing as i have similar mods as you.

v95 · Post by **v95** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:52 pm

yeah not worth it

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:01 pm

V.95srt wrote:yeah not worth it

Well, that Sux.

Sorry that you had to waste your funds..... but also, 2GN should say Thank you, for at least trying this out, and reviewing it for everyone.

- Nick

2GN.ORG

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