arp vs felpro.....

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:00 pm

ok, so last winter i started buying some misc parts for my engine build, such as head set, vc set, oil pan gasket, pritty much everything i need to put the block together (gasket wise) well today i found a set of brand new felpro head bolts... so i got thinking,

i was going to install arp headstuds on my car this winter, seeings i got a built bottom end... but seeings i have the headbolts sitting in my basement should i just use them or should i break down and get the arp headstuds?? are the arps THAT much better for a car running prolly 20 psi of boost all said and done? or will it really make that much of a difference??

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:44 pm

I would definitly go with the ARP studs.

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:39 am

ok, i figured that most would say that, because that was what i was thinking also, but i have had good luck running 8psi out of the felpros, so i was just wondering....

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:12 pm

JeffB#2 wrote:The Mopar gasket is a very good piece. I like the Victor gaskets too, they used to be cheaper. Just because a gasket is aftermarket absolutely does not make it "better". Even with every bolt on known for any 2.0 or 2.4 you don't need a gasket other than a stock gasket. I use stock gaskets with my 230+WHP 2.4 and I reuse head bolts after making sure they're not stretched. You can err on the conservative side and replace the bolts if you want, that's just fine. 90% of the people that buy head studs have absolutely no use for them. You often hear someone say they lifted the head with stock bolts and x amount of boost. It's more likely that they did a poor job of prepping the block and head and then that's what caused the gasket to leak.

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:05 pm

huh, maybe i should not go with the arps after reading that..... ugh.... i hate desisions like this one... lol...

SOKADAO954 · Post by **SOKADAO954** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:40 pm

n20sxt · Post by **n20sxt** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:31 pm

dtjackten wrote:huh, maybe i should not go with the arps after reading that..... ugh.... i hate desisions like this one... lol...

can never be too safe. go with the arp's. I would never reuse stock headstuds, thats setting yourself up for disaster

JeffB#2 · Post by **JeffB#2** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:37 pm

n20sxt wrote:can never be too safe. go with the arp's. I would never reuse stock headstuds, thats setting yourself up for disaster

There's no such thing as a "stock headstud". It's funny when people write things they know nothing about.

I have no problem when people want to waste money. It's their money they're throwing away.

n20sxt · Post by **n20sxt** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:21 pm

JeffB#2 wrote:
n20sxt wrote:can never be too safe. go with the arp's. I would never reuse stock headstuds, thats setting yourself up for disaster
There's no such thing as a "stock headstud". It's funny when people write things they know nothing about.

I have no problem when people want to waste money. It's their money they're throwing away.

whoops i didnt mean to write "stock"....
On a side note, thanks for correcting me mr. master tech. i think 100 bucks is money well spent to avoid problems... then again im not a penny pincher or a retard so reuse em if you'd like champ

JeffB#2 · Post by **JeffB#2** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:31 pm

i'm not a master tech but i'm pretty sure i've forgotten more about neons than you will probably ever grasp based on what i read in some of your posts.

money should be spent wisely not blindly.

since he already has the studs, i offered up that he might as well use them. but that's a conversation you're not part of. i also let him what to watch out for with ARP head studs. but you don't need to worry about that either.

n20sxt · Post by **n20sxt** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:41 pm

JeffB#2 wrote:i'm not a master tech but i'm pretty sure i've forgotten more about neons than you will probably ever grasp based on what i read in some of your posts.

money should be spent wisely not blindly.

since he already has the studs, i offered up that he might as well use them. but that's a conversation you're not part of. i also let him what to watch out for with ARP head studs. but you don't need to worry about that either.

Id hope with the extra 20 years you have on me that you would know a thing or two more... then again reusing headstuds makes me think twice about the previous statement. Im not here to battle the "guru" of neons just stating my opinion, i didnt mean to get you all butt hurt. if you have a problem with what im saying please settle it via pm so we're not trashing up this topic.

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:03 pm

from what JeffB#2 says the felpro studs are equivalent to the mopar oem studs that hold the amount of boost i am looking to get...

studs i know are more for if u plan on taking the head off the car alot... (i am hoping i dont need to do that)

it just sucks because i have brand new headbolts in my basement unused brand new! so the decition is very hard

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:12 pm

Well, if you have them I'd say use 'em. If you were going to buy something, I would say to definitely go with the ARP studs.

I run those on my car and they've worked out great. I'm sure you'll find people with positive and negative experiences, though. These are just mine.

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:17 pm

by those u talking arps? or felpros? sorry hul kogan, as i was not sure what ones u were refurring to... i know ur car is pritty impressive hp wise...

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:35 pm

I'm pretty sure the studs are not torque to yield like the head bolts are.

Reusing studs is not a big deal.

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:55 pm

dtjackten wrote:by those u talking arps? or felpros? sorry hul kogan, as i was not sure what ones u were refurring to... i know ur car is pritty impressive hp wise...

Sorry about that. Didn't mean to confuse ya.

I run ARP studs.

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:33 pm

yeah i know the studs are not torque to yeild... but i always thought the main reason to use them was if u remove the head alot, not nessasarly because they r stronger???

JeffB#2 · Post by **JeffB#2** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:43 pm

Studs are great for anything that is removed often or when time is critical for dis/re-assembly. studs are good for HIGH amounts of boost. 20psi is not a lot of boost for OEM 11mm bolts. for high boost a person might about going to bigger fasteners.

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:22 am

what do u consider high boost? i am not sure what these blocks will hold boost wise, that is why i am saying twenty at this point

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:47 am

The NGCs do a lot better than the SBEC blocks. 35psi would be a lot for an SBEC block. NGC 2.0 blocks haven't been tested yet.

I'm with Jeff that most people don't need them. But then again, most people can't tune an engine like Jeff and I can, and detonation, in addition to melting/bending internals, also puts a ton of pressure on those bolts and the gasket they sandwich. If you put internals in a motor with stock bolts, detonation would likely lift the head before popping a rod.

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:32 am

oh, so with my built bottom end i am installing u think i should go with the agps erick?

seems like everyday i am changing my mind on what to do... lol

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:34 am

Well, I'm not the kind of person that likes to take chances on a motor. Too much expensive stuff blows up when one thing fails.

I've had studs in my motors since the first time I took one apart. Studs are cheap. Motors aren't.

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:40 am

esteinmaier wrote:Studs are cheap. Motors aren't.

You hit the nail on the head right there, Erick.

Amen.

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:45 am

good call eric, i will be ordering studs for it soon... any places u recemend to get them? i see ebay has them, but i dont trust them that much....

modernperformance maybe?

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:57 am

I think I got a set from them. I've had 3 sets, I think. I never can remember. But yea, I've always liked doing business with them, and they are always near the best price.

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:04 pm

ok, thanks again for everyones help. i will let all of u know how the install goes when i do get them.

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:29 pm

For what it's worth, I bought mine from a company on eBay. I can't for the life of me remember their name, but I think they actually have a brick and mortar shop along with the e-biz. So I felt like that made it a safer deal, along with their near 100% feedback.

I have spent a ton of money with MP over there years and have never been disappointed, either.

dtjackten · Post by **dtjackten** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:37 pm

i have bought alot from modern before also, but the problem i have with them is them makin u sign for the parts, i understand why they do it, but i am never home when they go to drop off parts... maybe i will have them ship the stuff i need to my work...

anyone know if they take paypal?