A REAL flashed PCM for NGC cars

stdlystdmufn · Post by **stdlystdmufn** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:55 pm

acr wrote:im running an AF/X street pcm on my car and it works great. I have 7200 rev limit, and the fuel and spark have been adjusted. with 93 octane it defenetly feels faster, I guess I just got lucky.

they are talking about a system for the NGC (03-05)

acr · Post by **acr** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:24 pm

and your point is?

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:26 pm

That your experience doesn't apply to this thread, unless it is an '03- newer PCM. NGC = '03 to '05 neon.

acr · Post by **acr** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:27 pm

Im nopt saying that I have experience, I was just saying that mine works!

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:35 pm

The programming is different for 00-02 neons. It's very similar to the 95-99 neon models. Unfortunately, with the design changes in the 03-05 models, it hasn't been able to be hacked.

Gary Howell claimed that he was able to do it, and then sold "flashed" stock ECU's that nobody has been able to make work, and Gary has offered ZERO support for it

In all actuality, your ECU AFX should rev to 7800, since that's the advertised limit of the PCM. It's seeming like you're just popping into threads to troll people.

PS: Everyone, I just e-mailed them again. The issue we had before was they needed a P/N for the cars. Unfortunately, just for the 03 models, there are 30 part numbers alone.

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:44 pm

invujerry wrote:
In all actuality, your ECU AFX should rev to 7800, since that's the advertised limit of the PCM. It's seeming like you're just popping into threads to troll people.

This.

Which would be a bad thing for you.

DoubtedNeon · Post by **DoubtedNeon** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:14 pm

gtxtreme19 · Post by **gtxtreme19** » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:14 pm

OK I've had experience with bg on my 2005 hemi ram which iwas also using a similar ngc they are a stand up company who do great work....
If I had an 03+ I'd take it to them in a heartbeat
My truck cost roughly $900 to be reflashed but at the time there was nobody else doing the rams and the hypertech tuner blows

Just my 2 cents

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:55 pm

If you need a direct part number, I can try to get the one off of my car. 04 SXT with ATX. LMK Jerry. I imagine they'd be more interested in making them if they had a specific part number instead of a year range, right?

Jeepin' · Post by **Jeepin'** » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:01 pm

Bumped. Any word back? 05' SXT, non mag, MTX here, let me know where to located part numbers, Im definitely game.

trojmn · Post by **trojmn** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:18 pm

SRT4, 5.7 hemis use NGC so it can be done. What we don't have is a diablo or scm(?) supported mechanism for the NA calibration ids. SO I'll be trying a SRT computer in my 2003 SXT soon.

The "plan" is to use remap and spare SRT4 computer to a 2.0 NA increase timing etc... I'm told this should work in theory we'll see. Should be fun.

Troj

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:24 pm

Won't that try to dump tons of fuel into the engine?

In the end we are talking about an econo car. There is a reason why there isn't a diablo sport tuner or similar product.

Post by **occasional demons** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:25 am

racer12306 wrote:Won't that try to dump tons of fuel into the engine?

In theory...? Pertaining to this: V (Not trojmn's post.)
Prolly not if it isn't seeing boost. It will only go off the normal inputs. The injector size will also come into play. If he runs SRT injectors, then yes.
Now I'm not too sure how much timing a PCM that is programmed for boost will throw in there. But if you can re map it, assuming it doesn't have limits as to how far you can go...

duster360 · Post by **duster360** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:45 am

occasional demons wrote:
racer12306 wrote:Won't that try to dump tons of fuel into the engine?

In theory...? Pertaining to this: V (Not trojmn's post.)
Prolly not if it isn't seeing boost. It will only go off the normal inputs. The injector size will also come into play. If he runs SRT injectors, then yes.
Now I'm not too sure how much timing a PCM that is programmed for boost will throw in there. But if you can re map it, assuming it doesn't have limits as to how far you can go...

I'll be tuning the 2003 SRT-4 PCM for trojmn's pos 2.0L.

The injector scale, MAP scale, VE tables and spark tables will be reconfigured for the stock NA parts. I got a SCT buddy to send me the VE and MBT spark tables from a 2004 2.0L to give me a "base map" to start from.
PCM info here: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f341/an ... 0l-559297/

My only concern is the CAM and CranK signals being the same between the 2.4 DOHC and 2.0 SOHC. We may give it a shot this weekend to make sure its feasible. If the car starts and at least half-ass runs, it should work.

DR. GONZO · Post by **DR. GONZO** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:53 pm

hey any word on the ngc reflash i got an 04 R/T mtx so let me know where to find the number becuase i'm so down for this lol

sneakers O'toole · Post by **sneakers O'toole** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:20 pm

DR. GONZO wrote:hey any word on the ngc reflash i got an 04 R/T mtx so let me know where to find the number becuase i'm so down for this lol

should be a white sticker with the P/N and a bar code on top of the PCM. jerry, is this still a possibility? if so i can pm you my PCM part number. LMK.

DR. GONZO · Post by **DR. GONZO** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:55 pm

ok i'll check for it and let me know i'll be a test subject for this

BillyMike · Post by **BillyMike** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:56 pm

Here is the P/N for my ECU out of my 03 R/T P05033

BillyMike

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:58 pm

invujerry wrote: PS: Everyone, I just e-mailed them again. The issue we had before was they needed a P/N for the cars. Unfortunately, just for the 03 models, there are 30 part numbers alone.

Something like this...
1 MODULE, Powertrain Control
05029242AC 1 EDV DDR [NAS], Export
05030300AA 1 EDV DDR [NA1],
05033452AC 1 EJD DD5 [NA1,NB2]
05033453AA 1 ECB DD5 [NAS] After 03/27/03
05033454AA 1 ECB DD5 [NA1,NB2,NZ5] After 03/27/03,
Export
05033455AA 1 ECB DD5 [NA1,NB2] After 03/27/03, Export
05033456AA 1 ECB DD5 [NA1,NB3] After 03/27/03, Export
05033457AA 1 ECB DGL [NAS] After 03/27/03
05033458AA 1 ECB DGL [NA1,NB2,NZ5] After 03/27/03,
Export
05033459AA 1 ECB DGL [NA1,NB2] After 03/27/03, Export
05033460AA 1 ECB DGL [NA1,NB3] After 03/27/03, Export
05034176AD 1 ECB DD5 [NA1,NB3] Up to 03/27/03,
Export
05034451AC 1 EJD DD5 [NA1,NB3], Export
05293168AE 1 ECB DD5 [NAS] Up to 03/27/03
05293169AF 1 ECB DD5 [NA1,NB2] Up to 03/27/03,
Export
05293170AE 1 ECB DD5 [NA1,NB2,NZ5] Up to 03/27/03,
Export
05293172AF 1 ECB DGL [NA1,NB3] Up to 03/27/03,
Export
05293174AE 1 ECB DGL [NAS] Up to 03/27/03
05293175AE 1 ECB DGL [NA1,NB2,NZ5] Up to 03/27/03,
Export
05293179AE 1 ECH DD5 [NA1,NB2] Up to 08/19/02
05293179AF 1 ECH DD5 [NA1,NB2] After 08/19/02, Export
05293180AF 1 ECH DD5 [NAS,NZ5] After 08/19/02
05293180AG 1 ECH DD5 [NAS,NZ5] Up to 08/19/02

Plus on top of that, I'm sure the VIN would need to be included for small specific details. Prolly not so much for tuning tho.

gtxtreme19 · Post by **gtxtreme19** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:21 pm

Why dont someone just sac up take them a car for a few days pay them the big loot and see WTF happens.... I would but im an 00 and pre ngc plus I only have 1 car