Question about adaptors

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:46 am

why cant the neon be 4x100, does anyone know if you can make an adaptor to go form 4x100 to 5x100, safely.

want these rims

15" ROTA TRACK R WHITE RIMS

but i dont think they make them in 5x100,

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:18 am

I assume you want the 15 offset?

Is this for the 1st gen? If so, you could swap to 4 lug hubs.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:29 am

Danteneon wrote:I assume you want the 15 offset?

Is this for the 1st gen? If so, you could swap to 4 lug hubs.

+1

95 Neon came with 4 lugs.

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:30 am

no this is for the 2gn. if swap to 4 lug on the ACR i would lose the rear disk, form what i have read there are not available. but i dont know for sure

the volk TE37 are available that i want but there 1916.00.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:42 am

Yea, 95 4 lug plus rear disc didn't exist.

You could probably still put the 95 hubs on a second gen? People use the hubs and everything from a 1gn to put disc on the back, so I don't see why not?

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:49 am

but i would lose my rear disc on the sedan then but the front hubs will fit in a 2gn knucle and i could run 1gn calipers and rotors.

could the 1gn hubs be used on the back and the rotors be re-drilled and i could keep my rear disc??

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:57 am

1972demon wrote:
could the 1gn hubs be used on the back and the rotors be re-drilled and i could keep my rear disc??

The hub/knuckle wouldn't have the backing plate or the mounting points for the caliper then would it? Idk, I'm trying to picture it in my head lol.

I think boneyardracing was talking about a 5 - 4 lug adapter a while ago.

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:07 pm

was it him doing the JDM neon , ive been searching for that all morning i thought it was on neoncanada or neons.org , now i remember it is here.

but the hub should fit on my SRT knuckle because drum and disc use the same hub, i believe.

so it would be:

knuckle: SRT
E-brake and backing plate: SRT
Rotor and caliper: SRT
hub: 4 lug 1gn

then the rotor would get re drilled for 4 X 100

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:11 pm

Sounds like it would work.

Boneyard wanted to put some 4 lug gold rims on his blue r/t. Not sure if I he ever went through with it, might want to pm him and see what he came up with.

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:12 pm

yeah im going to do that, i love the KONIG retracks

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:21 pm

The only sticking point may be getting the rotors re-drilled. There isn't much area between the studs for new holes for the pattern and spacing needed for 4x100.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:26 pm

What about some rotors from a cobalt or honda or something?

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:27 pm

heydockyle wrote:What about some rotors from a cobalt or honda or something?

i think you would just be getting more complicated then.

and this is what they would have to look like

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:30 pm

All the specs would have to be the same. The rear would be pretty difficult because the parking brake shoes are inside. Many other cars just use the caliper to hold the car. I would really limit your choices.

A lot of time spent with a Bendix or Raybestos spec catalog would be ideal to see if that could work.

So based on that pic, it looks like it wouldn't be too bad to re-drill them. Since the studs are pressed into the hub and the rotor just slides on, it could work

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:31 pm

Something from another car has to be close enough to fit..

I guess the main thing you would need to check is how far recessed the disc part is from the lug part. Which would get slightly complicated lol.

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:36 pm

im going to try to locate a set of 4 lug hubs, i have some spare 2gn knuckles to play around with, form what im reading on the .whorg, the bearings are the same just the 4 lug knuckle move the capliper in closers but im using all stock parts but the hubs. so i shouldn't have a probaly. glad my dad is a machinist, or this might actually cost me something.

the rear brakes use the same hub being it disc or drum, correct?

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:38 pm

1972demon wrote:
the rear brakes use the same hub being it disc or drum, correct?

Correct, because when I put disc on my car that currently has drum all i need is backing plate rotor caliper ebrake cable etc..

bstc00 · Post by **bstc00** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:38 pm

Those are some SEXY looking rims.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:43 pm

The rear hub is the same, yes.

Something to think about. In mid 2002, Chrysler made the front wheel bearing wider (33mm to 39mm). If you are going to use 95 hubs, make sure the front knuckles and bearings are the 00-01 style. That also means no SRT front knuckles

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:44 pm

^^^ thanks man i was just scrolling around and saw them, and was like "i got to have those"

so good news i can buy the hubs (front and rear) from autozone 78.99 for fronts and 79.99 for rears.

EDIT: i was just looking at 2gn front hubs, there 199.99 a side no bearings.

the only thing is 2gn fronts are held in with that tin plate and 3 bolts, right? with 1gn are held in with a snap ring, if i remember correctly.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:50 pm

1972demon wrote:the only thing is 2gn fronts are held in with that tin plate and 3 bolts, right? with 1gn are held in with a snap ring, if i remember correctly.

Yep.

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:59 pm

Danteneon wrote:The rear hub is the same, yes.

Something to think about. In mid 2002, Chrysler made the front wheel bearing wider (33mm to 39mm). If you are going to use 95 hubs, make sure the front knuckles and bearings are the 00-01 style. That also means no SRT front knuckles

ok good to know this, i wonder if i can find out how thick the 4 lug hubs are, but i know you can put 2gn rotors on a 1gn, mopar action did a little write up on it. yay more research. i believe my two sets of knuckles are from 2000's , if not there 01's .

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:40 pm

Rotors should be fine. The parts catalog doesn't list the width of the first gen bearings, but they are a different part #.

In theory you should be able to press the 1st gen hubs into the 2nd gen (33mm) bearings.

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:47 pm

i know the bearings really well, long story and my dad being a mill-wright came into play.

the O.D. are the same, the I.D. of the 1gn bearing is smaller then the 2gn bearing, the width are also the same.

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:53 pm

1972demon wrote:no this is for the 2gn. if swap to 4 lug on the ACR i would lose the rear disk, form what i have read there are not available. but i dont know for sure

the volk TE37 are available that i want but there 1916.00.

omg... TE-37s are HOTTT!

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:55 pm

sidepipe87 wrote:
1972demon wrote:no this is for the 2gn. if swap to 4 lug on the ACR i would lose the rear disk, form what i have read there are not available. but i dont know for sure

the volk TE37 are available that i want but there 1916.00.

omg... TE-37s are HOTTT!

i know so hawt, but unfortunately my bank account will not allow them right now.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:58 pm

Ah, so you would use the 1st gen bearings. Good to know

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:11 pm

yeah i would use the 1gn bearing, i may have to machine a groove in the 4 lug hub for the bearing retainer plate, but other then that i think its direct bolt in.

im going to have to run 1gn axles though. due to the different spline count.

and before any one sayd 1gn bearing dont fit 2gn knuckles they do i have them in my winter beater sedan, it need wheel bearings on a sataruday they gave use the 1gn bearings instead of 2gn. with the smaller I.D. , so my dad machined 2gn hubs done to fit the 1gn bearings, it works and i have had it like that for over a year.

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:14 pm

1972demon wrote: i know so hawt, but unfortunately my bank account will not allow them right now.

Just run the Rota rep equivalent. The Torque or whichever one it is

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:20 pm

i perfer the retracks actually,

i think the rota rep for TE-37 is grids, i believe the torques are supposed to be works wheels.

im interested in this little project now to see if it is possible