Rear windows

unc-newbie · Post by **unc-newbie** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:05 pm

I have done some searching and haven't found anything yet. But is it possible to get the rear windows in the neon to roll all the way down. I was curious if anyone has attempted this yet.

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:11 pm

I believe they can not, due to the wheel wells. If you made it possible, then they'd never roll all the way up

Neon4Life · Post by **Neon4Life** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:12 pm

FAC3L3SS wrote:I believe they can not, due to the wheel wells. If you made it possible, then they'd never roll all the way up

you fool.

wth are you talking about....?

anyways. yes you can roll them all the way down. you gotta pull off the panel and remove like a lever and then it allows the window to go all the way down. ive never done it but im sure someone has. just wait for them to chime in.

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:15 pm

Hrm. Pics or links to a thread where this has been done? I'm fairly certain there are physical blocks.

Neon4Life · Post by **Neon4Life** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:16 pm

i dont know. but hey anything is possible.

im sure someone has done it. well see what others say.

Ntyvirus1 · Post by **Ntyvirus1** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:21 pm

just curious y do u wan the windows to roll all the way down?

unc-newbie · Post by **unc-newbie** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:47 pm

I had a couple friends with me the other day and one of them asked if it could be done. I was curious too because they wanted to roll the window all the way down and I told them they couldn't. So there question sparked my interest and here we are.

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:48 pm

Rip the door panel off and look yourself. See what's blocking, see what might stop it, free it, etc...

unc-newbie · Post by **unc-newbie** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:53 pm

I was going to take a look at it tomorrow. The only reason I could think of is if the door wasn't big enough for the window to roll down all the way. I believe the front door is bigger than the rear. I am going to check tomorrow (first I am going to measure the window and then the door).

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:57 pm

FAC3L3SS wrote:I believe they can not, due to the wheel wells. If you made it possible, then they'd never roll all the way up

I'm pretty sure you're right.

Neon4Life wrote:you fool.

wth are you talking about....?

anyways. yes you can roll them all the way down. you gotta pull off the panel and remove like a lever and then it allows the window to go all the way down. ive never done it but im sure someone has. just wait for them to chime in.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:16 pm

I'll tell you right now Adam is 100% right, and Manny is an idiot.

What evidence do you have? you say.

Well first off; common sense.. The door arches there for the wheel well like Adam mentioned. second; rear windows don't go all the way down as a child safety precaution.

Finally, i KNOW because this past Thursday I pulled all 4 windows and regulators out of a neons doors so I saw first hand that it's not possible.

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:17 pm

sidepipe87 wrote:I'll tell you right now Adam is 100% right, and Manny is an idiot.

What evidence do you have? you say.

Well first off; common sense.. The door arches there for the wheel well like Adam mentioned. second; rear windows don't go all the way down as a child safety precaution.

Finally, i KNOW because this past Thursday I pulled all 4 windows and regulators out of a neons doors so I saw first hand that it's not possible.

So I haz moar proof from two legit people from the site? Not enough for the great Man-zini.

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:17 pm

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:26 pm

Even if there weren't physical obstructions in the way, most car manufacturers would just make the track too short, and cap the end.

Like I said, most. I just seen a car the other day with the window all the way down, and a dog hanging out. But I didn't get a good enough look to see what make/model. Watching where I'm going pwns me, sorry.

They may have modded it tho, to keep the dog from choking it self on the window edge. It was just odd enough to catch my eye as it went past.

Broken Glass · Post by **Broken Glass** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:59 am

In my dads SUV (2 rows) the rear windows roll all the way down. its an SUV tho

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:52 am

sidepipe87 wrote:I'll tell you right now Adam is 100% right, and Manny is an idiot.

What evidence do you have? you say.

Well first off; common sense.. The door arches there for the wheel well like Adam mentioned. second; rear windows don't go all the way down as a child safety precaution.

Finally, i KNOW because this past Thursday I pulled all 4 windows and regulators out of a neons doors so I saw first hand that it's not possible.

Heh, no joke there... Those rears were a royal pain to get out huh ryan?

I guess thats why you asked me to do them for you, LOL...

Jenni · Post by **Jenni** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:12 am

sidepipe87 wrote:...rear windows don't go all the way down as a child safety precaution.

Really? And Mercedes, BMW, Citroen and all the other companies make cars without child safety?
Cause it is more than NORMAL that the rear windows pull all the way down. Especially in bigger cars and Vans.

We have just the problem that the door is shaped to follow the wheels house. Problem in many 4-door compact cars.

Maybe you can trick the mechanism to win a few inches. Cause i guess they left a security distance. But you will not find a way to pull them completely down.

But really - who cares??? I sit in the front left seat all the time...

DetergentCandy · Post by **DetergentCandy** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:22 am

Jenni wrote:
sidepipe87 wrote:...rear windows don't go all the way down as a child safety precaution.
Really? And Mercedes, BMW, Citroen and all the other companies make cars without child safety?
Cause it is more than NORMAL that the rear windows pull all the way down. Especially in bigger cars and Vans.

Europe is different than America, my friend.
Most rear car windows here, don't roll down all the way.
Like Occasional Demons said, MOST.

Jenni · Post by **Jenni** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:35 am

meeeh - you make all that big size vans. and they have no technical reason that the windows scroll not down.

But okay - they all could have electric windows that the driver can lock.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:38 am

In the late 70's there was a kid who fell out of a rear window. At that time there was a big uproar about the fact that that could happen blah blah blah. So Chrysler took it apon themselves to make the rear windows not roll all the way down as a safety feature.

Back then, they simply bent the last 3 or 4 teeth on the regulator so the window stopped. I modified the ones on my Omni so it would roll all the way down (real easy to do). Chrysler has finally stopped adding this feature in resent years (my 02 Durango rear windows went all the way down). Hell, even the Caliber rolls down all the way (there is about a 1/4" of glass sticking up in the front of the rear window though).

All that said, I'm pretty sure that the design of the 1/4 panel wheel arch area keeps the window from sitting all the way down. I have been meaning to take my panels off to verifiy this for sure though

unc-newbie · Post by **unc-newbie** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:34 pm

I know my mom drives a 2002 ford focus and the back windows don't go all the way down but they are power windows. I will be getting around to taking my panel off in about an hour and will see what we got.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:43 pm

sidepipe87 wrote:Manny is an idiot.

Truer words have never been spoken...

Post by **Diablo0** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:57 pm

I would also like to bring my ideas to the table...

Those rear seat windows in larger vehicles that can be rolled down without any obstruction will more than likely also have a switch to kill the functionality of the rear switches. That way if a child is in the rear seat of a car the driver has the ability to disable the switches to prevent said children from escaping via the window.

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:12 pm

i can definitely speak from experience that there's no way to get the rear windows down the whole way because of their size compared to the space allowed inside the door. the only way it could have been done at all is if the rear window was a 2piece where the rear part of it didnt move...that would make the window shorter in length(front to back), allowing it to clear the wheel well hump in the doors...

mikeb818 · Post by **mikeb818** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:12 am

NiteHawk wrote:i can definitely speak from experience that there's no way to get the rear windows down the whole way because of their size compared to the space allowed inside the door. the only way it could have been done at all is if the rear window was a 2piece where the rear part of it didnt move...that would make the window shorter in length(front to back), allowing it to clear the wheel well hump in the doors...

NiteHawk FTW

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:34 am

NiteHawk wrote:i can definitely speak from experience that there's no way to get the rear windows down the whole way because of their size compared to the space allowed inside the door. the only way it could have been done at all is if the rear window was a 2piece where the rear part of it didnt move...that would make the window shorter in length(front to back), allowing it to clear the wheel well hump in the doors...

This is exactly how most rear windows roll all the way down. My mother's Jeep windows roll all the way down...but the back half is a second window. Take notice of what windows are single and what are two pieces, THEN look @ which go all the way down.

LilSparkPlug · Post by **LilSparkPlug** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:58 am

Yeah there's no way in hell that would work. I've had my glass out plenty of times and it's just not possible with the design of the doors. My mom's 300c and my father's Nitro, the windows go all the way down but there is a switch in the front to lock the windows (good for annoying children who want to have window races).

05SEblue · Post by **05SEblue** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:17 pm

In my moms avenger they go down all the way too.

Post by **occasional demons** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:40 pm

Notice he doesn't specify the windows.

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:42 am

Diablo0 wrote:I would also like to bring my ideas to the table...

Those rear seat windows in larger vehicles that can be rolled down without any obstruction will more than likely also have a switch to kill the functionality of the rear switches. That way if a child is in the rear seat of a car the driver has the ability to disable the switches to prevent said children from escaping via the window.

If you really don't want them to escape, never let them out of the basement. Or lock them in the trunk.

occasional demons wrote:Notice he doesn't specify the windows.

I don't think he's talking about the windows.