Prothane MM inserts: Street VS Race (both tested!)

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Prothane MM inserts: Street VS Race (both tested!)

Post by nodestiny » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:59 pm

OK guys, here we go!

A while back, i bought the street inserts from howell. They charged me as street on my invoice, but opening the box and finding red and VERY hard inserts, they definatly didnt feel like the streets. Well, I put them in anyways just to see if i would like them. Installation was very simple and didnt take much time at all. Remove the bolt, push the insert in (goes in well after a good push) and bolt it back up with washer. Must be pretty dumb to mess this install up... :D

After i sold the red race ones, i ordered the street blacks. DESPITE what is writen, race = red and black = street. The colors DO matter on the neon sets and everybody i talked to has confirmed this. Modern got it right and sent me the rights ones. Installation, once again was very simple. No differance.

Now, to compare:

Feel of the MM inserts: The physical feel of the insert differance is definatly noticable. Holding the red race in your hands feels like a hard and solid plastic. Very hard to flex and bend. The black streets on the other hand, felt more like a hard rubber VS the hard plastic. More flexible, but not quite a rubber band softness.

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Street - Not much more vibration or noise compared to stock. If noticable at all, but since i deal with audio quite a bit and i train my ears, i could hear a bit of extra motor noise in the cab. But it would be a very small decible gain. Vibration at idle is no more than stock though.

Race - A noticable differance in vibration and noise. Its not horrible, but definatly noticable. Vibration is definatly tolerable as it doesnt quite shake the neon. But noise is much more noticable in the ambient sound of the car.

Taking off (below idle):

Street - Below idle, while taking off, gives the car a noticable more shaking and vibration within the cab. Anything below 700RPM seems to put the shaking motor to the chasis. It isnt anything untollarable, just noticable.

Race - When taking off, it feels like an old washing machine on wheels. The shaking seems to just grab you and wake you up. Somewhat scared me when i first took off and had this shake. As a daily driver and aiming for comfort, definatly not quite acceptable for me. But it does seem to bounce out of the sloppy vibration much quicker... which brings up the next topic...

Wheel hop:

Street - Wheel hop is definatly still there. It is weakened a bit, but definatly didnt kill the wheel hop off as much as i hoped for. The hopping is lessened, but far from dead.

Race - Wheel hop is nearly killed. The race inserts really shine when killing off wheel hop. Not completely dead, but definatly a big differance.

Cruising:

Street - Not much differant from stock. Very mild more amount of noise, but easily covered by standard roadnoise. Have not tested with AC yet (its 40*F outside!), but guessing AC isnt going to make a huge differance.

Race - Driving around had noticably more noise until hitting high speeds on the highway where roadnoise is louder. But once you turn on the AC, the engine goes surround sound and is untollerable for me.

Finaly...

I feel that the street inserts are great for anybody who wants a tad bit more performance but doesnt want to give up ride quality, especaily for a daily driver. The race, on the other hand, isnt great for daily driving, but perfect for the power hungry enthusiant.

And that, my friends, is my opinion ;)
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Post by 22stars » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:13 pm

well done, thanks!

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Post by dblsg » Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:39 am

you get an A+ on that report :lol:
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Post by sxt4 » Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:30 pm

good info and adv. i just ordered the race prothayn from modern and i req red off the bat. but he did mention having the option of black. i have a question for you. what kind of noise is it. like a "race" sound? or a "broken washing machine" sound. not that it matters there already in the mail. i just wanted to know what i was getting in to.

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Post by Frizbe » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:37 pm

IMO, the mounts don't (didn't) add much vibration for me at idle. And I have filled mounts, so the Race sould be softer than mine are, the vibration on take is right on though, kinda scary the first few times. I also didn't notice any increase in noise. Other than when taking off.
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Post by Diablo0 » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:27 am

sxt4 wrote:good info and adv. i just ordered the race prothayn from modern and i req red off the bat. but he did mention having the option of black. i have a question for you. what kind of noise is it. like a "race" sound? or a "broken washing machine" sound. not that it matters there already in the mail. i just wanted to know what i was getting in to.
If it's anything like my Deyeme mounts you'll give more of a resonation from the engine into the car so you'll hear more of the engine type sound coming from the car since the vibrations aren't absorbed into the soft mount as much since they'll be stiffened up.
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Post by nodestiny » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:28 am

Diablo0 wrote:
sxt4 wrote:good info and adv. i just ordered the race prothayn from modern and i req red off the bat. but he did mention having the option of black. i have a question for you. what kind of noise is it. like a "race" sound? or a "broken washing machine" sound. not that it matters there already in the mail. i just wanted to know what i was getting in to.
If it's anything like my Deyeme mounts you'll give more of a resonation from the engine into the car so you'll hear more of the engine type sound coming from the car since the vibrations aren't absorbed into the soft mount as much since they'll be stiffened up.
Pretty much. It just makes the "resonance" of the engine louder. The black streets dont do it very bad, and is tolerable for a picky person like myself. But i can still wheelhop like no tomorow, just toned down a bit. But if you dont mind extra motor noise and vibration, the race are definatly more worth it.
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Post by sxt4 » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:47 pm

so i have them in.
i really dont notice the sound at all, that may have somthing to do w/ the srt 4 exhaust. i notice the vibration only when pulling off the line hard. i feel it in the shifts the most. with the boogers i just uinstalled its a nice combo. but again you'd be hard pressed to find anything that comes close to making a difference for 20 and shipping
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Post by jonnymopar » Tue May 30, 2006 10:10 pm

When I first bought my car, I had the Rex kit in the upper and lower mounts. I seriously thought that whoever had it before me made them out of scrap plastic. I really thought it was some kind of joke until I saw that it was an actual kit that people pay for. Wow.

So I scrapped them for a set of Prothane street inserts. The car feels stock again... which I guess is a good thing for me. My Neon isn't my performance car, but it won't stop me from having at least some fun with it.

Smooth, no vibration. With the Rex kit, sitting at idle with the air conditioner on, my rearview mirror was basically useless. My Vitor trans mount inserts are on their way though, so we'll see how it feels with everything done.
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Post by ewetho » Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:54 pm

I have Race Inserts which are almost plastic hard, as hard if not harder than my Booger Bushings were. They are in fact black. In fact Prothane list that they make both Black and Red color options. So what you have been seeing with Red or Black as an ID are probably just coincidence. Mine shake as the race are described and I wanted RED. Oh well. Performance however is excellent.
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Post by BlackRoseRacing » Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:55 am

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Post by Ifixyawata » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:25 pm

Street insert users: Are shifts a little crisper, maybe? If I try to pound gears, shifting at 6k, the 1-2 shift feels really soft, tires don't even barely chirp. Might I need some inserts to tighten up the slack I feel in the 1-2 shifts?

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Post by OB » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:17 pm

do the inserts help with bogging and get rid of some of the lean when accellerating? I was thinkin of gettin some myself to eliminate some hop and stiffen things up a little. anyone have pics, or better yet, a how to with pics? Im not too sure how these work, but i have a good idea of it.
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Post by jonnymopar » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:53 pm

The street inserts will barely change the way the car feels, if at all. That slop when you let off the gas in gear is still there. Wheelop remained unchanged for me. I wasn't terribly impressed with them to be quite honest. I haven't tried the race inserts though.

I've still got my Rex kit kicking around and I've been thinking about throwing the Rex inserts in one mount and leaving the Prothane insert in the other.
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Post by OB » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:33 pm

So the race inserts are the way to go? I want max performance, confort isnt a huge issue for me, but if its unbearable arent they easily removed and put back in?
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Post by 03blackrt » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:09 pm

orangeblastsxt wrote:So the race inserts are the way to go? I want max performance, confort isnt a huge issue for me, but if its unbearable arent they easily removed and put back in?
Very easy to put in and out. Heck, the hardest part is removing the fenderwell to acces the bottom torque strut.

Biggest thing iv notice since iv got mine (race) is that the clutch feels MUCH better. The only extra vibration I get is when leting out the clutch and when the a/c is on. 1st to 2nd shift are nice and clean with a nice chirp. best of all, I can drop the clutch @ 45 mph in 2nd gear and do a nice little burnout 8)

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Post by MoxHair » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:13 pm

For the best results get Vitor's Transaxle Mount insert too.

Very Happy with my "Race" Inserts and my Transaxle Mount Insert. I get some Vibration but only with the A/C on. Shift are alot smoother and Traction was greatly improved.

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Post by ewetho » Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:36 pm

Second the PolyBushing mounts Vitor is getting as they acutally reduced felt vibration of my RACE mount inserts. Much more like stock but definitely not!
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Post by OB » Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:49 am

id like to know more about the vitor bushings and where i can get some. vitor has a site doesnt he, what was it again :?:
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