tomfitz's 2000 plymouth neon (new pictures 4/25)

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:27 am

Hmm I didn't know you were from pittsburgh. I could've came down and gave you a hand once school was out.

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:07 am

yeah i was just hoping to get it done asap because i start working full time the day after i get home from school... i will definitely tell the garage about the tc since i dont have time to take it all apart again

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:28 am

after talking with friends and my mom and realizing that the garage doesnt do transmissions and i would have to take it to a specialist i am going to try and work on the car the weekend inbetween getting out of school and starting work... anyone that thinks they can lend a helping hand is more then welcome to come, i could use everyone's knowledge... im hoping that the fix is somewhat simple... is this inspection plate the small plate that bolts to the transmission right under the block?

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:37 am

tomfitz wrote:after talking with friends and my mom and realizing that the garage doesnt do transmissions and i would have to take it to a specialist i am going to try and work on the car the weekend inbetween getting out of school and starting work... anyone that thinks they can lend a helping hand is more then welcome to come, i could use everyone's knowledge... im hoping that the fix is somewhat simple... is this inspection plate the small plate that bolts to the transmission right under the block?

The inspection plate is a tiny plate that is held to the trans with one 10mm bolt. It sits flush along the edge. I will take a pic when I get home.

And I'm done like may 8th I will see about being able to come down Sunday cuz I work Saturday.

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:42 am

alright man any day would be good... pics would be very helpful!

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:25 pm

Sorry I missed your text man. I didn't see it until quite awhile after you sent.

Yes, as others have said...the TC should be bolted to the flexplate after the trans is mounted back up. Normally when taking them apart you'll want to mark the plate and TC so you know how they line up when reinstalling, but since you bought a new TC that wouldn't have worked anyway. It'll only bolt up one way. All the others will be just slightly off.

You'll just need to keep trying each combination systematically until you get the one that works. Get one bolt in, then go to the next hole and see if it works. That one won't be quite right if you don't have the right first bolt. Get someone over on the crank bolt that can turn the motor over as you try all the combos.

Good luck!

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:30 pm

yeah i have the right bolts in the right holes but now i need to redo it so it lines up with the tranny... hopefully i wont have to take everything back apart.. i dont want it to be too much of a headache

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:46 pm

Hate to be the bearer of bad news... but you'll have to separate the trans and motor to install the TC correctly.

When you do this, you spin the TC clockwise until it seats all the way. You'll be able to tell that it's seated because it'll sit behind the mounting tabs on the trans, IIRC.

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:57 pm

TheRandom1 wrote:Hate to be the bearer of bad news... but you'll have to separate the trans and motor to install the TC correctly.

When you do this, you spin the TC clockwise until it seats all the way. You'll be able to tell that it's seated because it'll sit behind the mounting tabs on the trans, IIRC.

This.

It's locked up now, so you're going to be taking it apart again. Just as Sean said, when the TC sits farther back than the mating surface, you know it's seated correctly. More than likely, it's currently sitting at the point where the last section of splines on the shaft start. It needs to go over those to seat correctly.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:41 pm

Would you believe I got all this info from horsepower tv? Lol

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:33 pm

Yea, alot of the shit they do on there is actually informational.

And a transmission is a transmission really. Doesn't differ much from car to car.

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:00 pm

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:49 pm

Sweet, I rule!

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:59 pm

i bow down to your excelence.... now i can cry while i fix it too

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:10 pm

Just think of it this way... by the time your car is back on the road, you'll be a pro on doing an ATX trans swap!

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:27 pm

yeah so i guess i can start really beating on it since i know how to replace it haha jk

T-Nasty · Post by **T-Nasty** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:54 pm

it wont be that bad it will actually be easier with the TC seated in the trans correctly. youll be able to go straight up with the trans instead of trying to get it over the TC that you had bolted to the flywheel. Sucks you had to find out the hard way.

And yes I'm a douche as Chris said.

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:00 pm

haha well i guess it is easier to learn by knowing the wrong way...

neonjr · Post by **neonjr** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:55 pm

tomfitz wrote:haha well i guess it is easier to learn by knowing the wrong way...

that should be the slogan for canadian tire.

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:20 pm

if you definitely have all the bolts in the right place (this is a new one for me, I've never had to worry about getting those lined up on a PG or a 200-4r) mark it before you take it apart.

Take it all out and start over, it will be easier to do that than to half ass mess around with it while it is in the car.

And you will know when the TC is engaged. You will hear it and feel it.

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:02 am

tomfitz wrote:haha well i guess it is easier to learn by knowing the wrong way...

This is the fun that is car modification my friend. Or, car maintenance in this case. You'll go from

to

when you are done, though.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:45 am

Here are pics of the inspection plate you asked for.

The plate itself.

Where the plate goes.

With the plate on

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:21 pm

thanks man... that what i thought it was... hopefully it won't be too much of a bitch to fix

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:02 am

got the job at rohrich toyota/scion so now all i have to do is fix the car the weekend inbetween and i can start making money to go to carlisle!!!

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Wed May 12, 2010 12:15 pm

took the tranny out again and did it the right way this time... put everything back together and turned the key, nothing... so i think either the starter is bad or i put a ground somewhere wrong or something isnt hooked up.. i know a guy that knows a guy so today i got it towed there... the flatbed driver was returded... he told me that if i wanted to make the car look really good that i should just cut out the center section of the front bumper.... he was also too fat to get in the car and couldnt figure out how to lower the window... oh well.. hopefully they can fix it cuz im tired of fuckin with it...

smiley · Post by **smiley** » Wed May 12, 2010 5:05 pm

good luck man

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Wed May 12, 2010 11:24 pm

the guy at the garage called and said that it was the starter and the reason it went is cuz the bolts holding the tc to the flex plate are too big.. so thank you advance auto parts man for selling me the wrong thing.... next time i will find it on my own...

tomfitz · Post by **tomfitz** » Thu May 13, 2010 10:35 pm

anyone wanna buy my car? after all that work and all that money, it is beyond my abilities to repair it.. i dont have the money or the time and i need a car asap... it kills me to give it up because of everything i have done and gone thru with but i have no other choice

BlackRT? · Post by **BlackRT?** » Fri May 14, 2010 2:37 am

Dude you really cant figure out how to swap a tranny? What do you need just a new starter?

Tam · Post by **Tam** » Fri May 14, 2010 3:53 am

So, if you get a new starter, will that fix the issue?

Have you grounded the neutral safety switch?

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