lowered.. (pics of springs)

xbrandonx · Post by **xbrandonx** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:19 pm

well the front seems to be.... the picture is self explanitory.

what the heck happend here?!
put some tein s-tech springs i got from someone here on the forum and.. well... this is the result. i know that it shouldnt be sitting like this the rear doesnt even look like it has moved! im not cutting them.. so does ANYONE have any suggestions.

Neon4Life · Post by **Neon4Life** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:41 pm

well 1 of 2 things coulda happened on your rear.. either a you installed the fronts on the back and vise versa or they are so brand new that they arent even settled down any.

id go with the first one i said.

but it looks good.

xbrandonx · Post by **xbrandonx** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:44 pm

no they arent brand new.. and they were professionally installed.. a family friend did them for me..

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:45 pm

yeah if they were new give them time to settle a bit, your rear is naturally a tad higher than the back but it should still be another .5" lower in the rear at least.

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:56 pm

he bought them off me , dont know what to tell you , i think he has given them time to settle , the rear should be closer to an inch and a half lower , they were like that when i test fitted them on my car anyway.

does anyone know if powder coating would of done anything to the spring sniffness??

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu May 13, 2010 5:00 pm

1972demon wrote: does anyone know if powder coating would of done anything to the spring sniffness??

Unless it's some amazing ass powdercoating, it would chip and break off under the force/weight of the car before causing it to not settle right.

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu May 13, 2010 5:02 pm

well the powder coat on the springs isn't going to chip and flake , the powder used is designed to flex.

was just a thought.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu May 13, 2010 5:14 pm

1972demon wrote:well the powder coat on the springs isn't going to chip and flake , the powder used is designed to flex.

was just a thought.

It may add to the stiffness some, but I highly doubt it would be enough to change the ride height even a quarter inch.

Although I really don't know a lot about powdercoating, so I guess anything is possible.

But if the fronts are pc'd too it didn't change them.

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu May 13, 2010 5:38 pm

^^ that is a good point , all the springs were black. he didn't by chance install the stock spring back in the car, looks like stock ride height still

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu May 13, 2010 5:46 pm

I 100% promise you the springs are on backwards. I did the same thing to my neon back in the day. They're very easy to get mixed up.

Go have them switched front to back

Case in point:

After correcting:

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Thu May 13, 2010 6:54 pm

Yup they have to be reversed. I had s-techs on my old neon and the rear sat lower, and front sat higher.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Thu May 13, 2010 7:29 pm

My eibach's also sit higher in the front.

esfan · Post by **esfan** » Thu May 13, 2010 7:44 pm

If the front sits that low and it's probably reversed installation. Even professionals can make mistakes like that especially when the front and rear springs look so similar. If that's the case, then it sucks...

xbrandonx · Post by **xbrandonx** » Thu May 13, 2010 8:23 pm

thats guys... im going to take a look at it tomorrow and give the guy a call. shitty deal that i have to go back but nothing i can do... does anyone have pictures of which ones should be front and which ones should be back? just so i can double check on which is which

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu May 13, 2010 8:27 pm

No. Seriously. They're 100% on the wrong way. No need to "double check." Just switch 'em out

OB · Post by OB » Thu May 13, 2010 8:46 pm

Actually I might have to disagree. Not only are the front TEIN springs physically shorter than the rears, the spring rates are only 4 lb/in different front to back. So thinking that the rears are softer than the front is what's causing the difference in drop isn't correct. Also, it would take a real retard not to be able to tell the obvious difference from the front springs to the back. The impressions left in the perches make it pretty tough to screw up.

Sounds to me like either the rear springs are defective, or possibly knock offs bought on ebay (they had a HUGE problem with fake TEINs about a year ago). It's also possible that they were somehow installed wrong on the struts.

1972demon · Post by **1972demon** » Thu May 13, 2010 8:49 pm

no they are legit TEIN , he bought them off me , i got them blasted and powdered coated, then decide against the tein/toyko setup and went with my sportline/koni's. they worked when they were on my car , i think there backwards.

OB · Post by OB » Thu May 13, 2010 8:54 pm

Hmm, hey brandon jack your front tire up off the ground and snap a few pics of the spring. If they're on backwards then I'll just compare your pic to what my front spring looks like.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu May 13, 2010 8:56 pm

OB. Look at my pictures. I managed to flip them by accident. There have been a few other members on the site to do the same thing. That's what causes that stance.

xbrandonx · Post by **xbrandonx** » Thu May 13, 2010 8:58 pm

ill snap some pics once im home in about 45 min.. im working right now so cant do it atm.. but ill get some up once i arrive home.

OB · Post by OB » Thu May 13, 2010 9:16 pm

Mr Josh Zombie wrote:OB. Look at my pictures. I managed to flip them by accident. There have been a few other members on the site to do the same thing. That's what causes that stance.

I just don't get how one could do that.

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Thu May 13, 2010 9:18 pm

^ We're not all pros mang. Easy mistake for novice suspension folks.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu May 13, 2010 9:20 pm

First time I ever did a suspension on ANY car, I bought used springs, no part numbers, and they looked almost exactly the same.

That's how. After doing the suspension 6 or 7 times over on that car, I got a damn good idea on how they went.

OB · Post by OB » Thu May 13, 2010 9:22 pm

I know not everyone turns a wrench for a living, but there are very easily seen impressions left in the perches and tophats that clearly show the orientation of the spring. The I.D. of the top of the front springs is vastly different from the back one as well, regardless of what brand the springs are.

My mind is officially blown.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu May 13, 2010 9:23 pm

Well, this is the third person I've helped with that exact stance issue, so it's not all that uncommon apparently

OB · Post by OB » Thu May 13, 2010 9:26 pm

I guess not!

Hey Brandon, if and when you pull the struts to correct the issue, can you take pics of both front and rear fully assembled? I kind of want to know specifically where the springs seat.

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Thu May 13, 2010 9:37 pm

I believe the ACTUAL problem comes from trying to relate the springs to the stock ones. Any aftermarket springs will look significantly different than stock, and I think that that's where it gets confusing.

OB · Post by OB » Thu May 13, 2010 9:40 pm

FAC3L3SS wrote:I believe the ACTUAL problem comes from trying to relate the springs to the stock ones. Any aftermarket springs will look significantly different than stock, and I think that that's where it gets confusing.

You might be right. But that doesn't change the fact that the actual seating-point of ANY spring for these cars is going to be the same. Hell the stock springs are harder to tell front to back, worse than any other I've seen!

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu May 13, 2010 9:40 pm

Yes Derek, you are the god of all things suspensions and springs and heaven forbid people make a simple mistake

it's much easier than you think. Adam is right, i tried comparing my stock to the lowering, and guess what? they fit in the perches perfectly fine

OB · Post by OB » Thu May 13, 2010 9:46 pm

Hey man, OP claims they were installed by a professional. I would hope that I could hold a "professional" to my standards.