Turbo choice

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Sun May 16, 2010 5:45 pm

I found a local guy with a BNIB Garrett and ard bov that he is selling. I took a look at it and found 60a/r compressor and 1.00 a/r divided turbine. It has the extra compressor blade in it also. Would it be considered a 60-1? The exhuast side doesnt look like all the 1.00a/r's that i have seen before. Looks more like a 63a/r or .81. Anyone know which garrett that is? Also what would the spool be like? Thanks in advance for replies.

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:14 pm

So here are some pics of this thing. LMK to big? spool time?

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:00 pm

That thing is huge. I doubt that would even spool before 4k with a 2.0 lol. Top end would be pretty nuts though. But to take advantage of that you'd want MS, and some pretty hot cams. R/T or crane 12, 10, and if your gonna be revving out the top end a lot to take full advantage of that huge exhaust side, you'd probably want to build the motor.

edit: just saw your an r/t.

NeonOn19s · Post by **NeonOn19s** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:00 pm

I agree with Anthony here. THat this is huge. it will be fun to mess with.

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:37 am

Looks like I might be selling my fic then to get a ms. How well would my r/t cam and intake manifold flow. Can I spin them to 8k since that probably be my power band.lol. 5k-8k

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:48 am

DingoR/T04 wrote:Looks like I might be selling my fic then to get a ms. How well would my r/t cam and intake manifold flow. Can I spin them to 8k since that probably be my power band.lol. 5k-8k

The R/T Cams are great for bigger turbos, and the long runners of the r/t intake manifold are also good for big turbos. My rev limit is set to 7,400. Problem is on the 2.0 that turbo is going to be so top-end dedicated when your revving up to 8k and possibly a little past that, you would probably want Crane 12 or 10 cams, and I would port out the intake manifold, head, and exhaust manifold as well. Not required, but to see the most out of that turbo on the top end I'd recommend it.

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:23 am

Actually reving up to 8k you would probably be looking more at a crane 14.

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:35 am

racer12306 wrote:Actually reving up to 8k you would probably be looking more at a crane 14.

Is that how it works? I always got em backwards. I thought the lower #'s were for top end.

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:47 pm

The lower the number the smaller the cam.

The 10 and the mag cam are pretty similar. The 12 is a little more and then the 14, then 007 and then 005 I believe.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:15 pm

In theory, short fat runner IM would be a bit better for boost, as there would be less volume to pressurize. Larger intercoolers also give more volume, but they have other benefits.

But I believe the Mag IM has been boosted without issue. The force fed air is not going to play by a naturally aspirated IM's rules anyways. It just becomes another tube to flow through. The Mag IM may be helpful with the off boost duties tho. I think if the butterflies were left in, I would just have them open at boost, and closed for non boost. The N/A characteristics of that IM will be null and void under boost, so no real need for an RPM/WOT switch.

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:44 pm

I planned on leaving the butterflys in. I have a WOT Box so I dont lose boost in between shifts. I will keep people updated on where I start to spool and hit full boost. Anyone know how much power the stock fuel pump and injectors are good for?

My parts list so far:
Garrett turbo
str manifold
WOT BOX/2Step
AEM Fic
CX intercooler
SARD BOV/pipe
Caliber SRT4 stock injectors
boost gauge
Boost Controller
ASP Oil Lines
Wastegate

Parts looking for:
wideband
scangauge
gauge pod
255lph fuel pump
intercooler piping

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:59 pm

Do you mean stock 2.0 Neon injectors or the stock caliber srt-4 injectors you have listed?

Your going to need bigger injectors. Stock isn't going to work very far. Also your gonna want new injectors so you can wire in the MS to them. The stock fuel rail is good for 8-10 though. Fuel pump about the same.

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:04 am

I meant the stock 2.0 injectors. Thanks

60trim · Post by **60trim** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:10 pm

You could go with mustang 24lb injectors. Get em in a junkyard. I would stick with a Walboro pump. They're only like a $100. Plenty of fuel. Remember, no fuel...no motor.

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:38 pm

Yeah planned on it. I have alot of parts yet to still buy. About another $1000 and I will be there.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:01 pm

If you plan on running a lot of boost, you're going to want big injectors. 30lb/hr at a min, probably 36 would be better.

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:33 pm

Yeah you never said how much boost you plan on running? Stock/built motor?

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:10 am

I wanted to just run 8-10 on stock motor for awhile until I can afford to go further. I am considering selling this turbo for something smaller so I can stay in the stock power band.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:40 am

I would keep the turbo. It's a lot easier on the stock motor to spool later, and the fact that the power comes in smoothly will help a lot with traction.

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:14 am

Does anybody know what oil size restrictor to use on the turbo? Also how long of a oil feed and oil return line should I use?

DoubtedNeon · Post by **DoubtedNeon** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:24 am

get it from eric.

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:30 am

So im putting my turbo in right now and Im trying to figure out what everyone does about the oil cooler. I noticed on the older models it is mounted on the bottom of the k-frame. On mine its mounted on the top of the k-frame. Also what is the best way to route the intercooler piping? I went to remove the vacuum box for the cruise control and noticed a little black clip on each side, how are those suppose to come out? Im working on this at a local shop so any help right away would be appreciated. Thanks

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:02 am

Cruise control box:
Take off your cowl. The nuts that hold in the box are on the other side of the firewall.

Oil cooler:
From what it sounds like your describing, that's your power steering cooler, cause mine was kind of in the way as well. Just break the weld holding the cooler and kframe together, move it over an inch or two, just be careful not to break the lines.

Intercooler piping:
Run it right inbetween your trans/oil pain up in front of the k-frame, and behind the axle:

We have the exact same car (04 R/T) so we can assume this is exact:

Coming from between the trans/oil pain into the intercooler

It's pretty jammed in there, but it'll fit. Also, you are going to want to take out that huge bracket connecting the trans and motor, and the huge bracket connecting the oil pan and trans. They're in the way. And yes, it's safe to do so. I'm 8K miles deep without them on a car with a stiff ass suspension.

Need any more help, feel free to PM me.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:10 am

Just loc-tite all the trans to block bolts if you have ever removed them. Without the brackets, you just don't want to have them rattle out.

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:47 pm

Well after 5mins. of staring out the vacuum box I realized I had to take the cowl off. I decided to run my intercooler piping over top of the tranny. Which I will have pics for you guys soon. I did it that way to avoid the oil cooler, shift linkage, and tranny to motor bracket. Plus I wanted to be alittle different. My other issue is my fog lights are completely in the way. If I get a srt bumper would that fix my problem? I know they route that part of the intercooler piping that way on the srt's. It goes out and around on each side. Now I have to order a small battery kit. Thanks for the quick response. My bro called me up after 1hr. of sleep n said lets go down to the shop so I didn't get a chance to check this before I went down at 7:30am today. I do appreciate all the help even know I went a different route.

DingoR/T04 · Post by **DingoR/T04** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:26 pm

Here are some pics of today and the early stages. Piping is being made as I type. I still have to clock the center of the turbo for the oil lines. The sad part is I have to take all this back off and go back to stock until I can get everything I need. but the plumbing will be done.