The Camaro is NOT a sports car

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The Camaro is NOT a sports car

Post by bombtrack07 » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:28 pm

Lawrence Ulrich wrote:I nearly spit coffee all over my screen when I saw GM claiming a sales achievement for its new Camaro. In fact, the manufacturer claims that its pony car, the star of the “Transformers” films, has become the nation’s best-selling "sports car," chalking up 99,872 sales in its first full year of production.



Let’s see, how to put this nicely -- what a crock! The claim is marketing spin at its finest; disingenuous at best and misleading for sure.



Read my lips, GM: The Chevrolet Camaro is not, and has never been, a "sports car." We all know what a sports car is: Two seats (or a plus-two layout at most); rear-wheel drive; convertible optional; relatively compact and lightweight. A sports car is a Chevy Corvette. A Mazda Miata is also a sports car, as is a Porsche 911, an MG and a Nissan Z.



Throughout their history, the Camaro, Ford Mustang and Dodge Challenger (don't forget the old AMC Javelin!) can be fairly described as many things. Pony cars, muscle cars, sports coupes or plain old "sporty" cars -- but they ain't sports cars. They’re too big and too heavy, built on the weighty platforms of family sedans. The modern Challenger tops 2 tons -- more than a pair of Lotus Elises. These pony cars also hold four adult passengers and have relatively roomy trunks. And don't talk to me about how much horsepower the Camaro has, or how fast it can blast to 60 mph – the definition of a sports car has nothing to do with power or speed. An vintage Austin Healey may produce barely 120 horsepower, but it’s a sports car; the Bentley Continental Supersports coupe of today has more than 600 horsepower, but it’s not a sports car. Even when it’s going 200 mph.



You might ask, why split hairs over some fine point of automotive nomenclature? Here’s why: If the Camaro is a “sports car,” then a Mitsubishi Eclipse is a sports car, or even a Honda Accord coupe, for chrissakes. Broadening the definition would water down the category until everyone could play. The term “sports car” would become as pointless as when “GT” (for gran turismo or grand touring) got slapped on every lame performance wannabe from a Ford Probe to a Pontiac Bonneville.



Don’t take this as a knock on the Camaro. GM and Chevy deserve praise for a successful launch and a bonafide hit. Let’s review: The Camaro looks fabulous, offers a terrific pair of engines and has the strongest brakes in the class. The cons are a claustrophobic interior, the outward visibility of a pickle barrel and somewhat numb steering -- but did I mention how great the Camaro looks?



Yet even the current model’s success is relative. Back in 1979, Americans wrote checks for a record 282,571 Camaros. Surprisingly, that Camaro wasn’t even an all-new model. So selling 100,000 Camaros today is a decidedly lukewarm figure by history's standards. Let’s not even talk about the 386,000 Mustangs that Ford sold in its seminal year of 1964-65, and 1 million in just 18 months (it’s just too depressing in light of current sales).



Sales of genuine sports cars are certainly in the tank: Last year was the worst year for Corvette sales since 1961 -- at just under 14,000 -- and sales are even slower in 2010. Yet the 'Vette remains the nation’s most popular sports car, with 4,950 buyers through May. (The new Nissan 370Z keeps pace at 4,609 sold.) Rivals are faring far worse. Porsche has moved fewer than 2,400 911s through May and BMW has found only 1,500 takers for its stylish new Z4. As for the Audi R8: ouch. The car may be cool enough for Iron Man to drive, but Tony Stark’s about the only guy who can afford the $120,000-$160,000 exotic. Audi has sold just 212 R8s since January.



Chevrolet needs to stick to the terms of the original pony-car debate. The war is Camaro versus Mustang versus whatever Mopar brings to the party, and that’s that. Chevy is welcome to boast that it’s outselling the Mustang, though -- through May, the 2010 tally stands at 38,838 for the Camaro and 31,061 for the Mustang. That race is interesting enough without making false claims. The Mustang’s killer new V6 and V8 engines should give its 2011 model a showroom boost later this year, and the Camaro will fire back with a new convertible and a reborn Z28 model sometime in 2012.



I've already seen several media outlets, including some auto folks who should know better, echoing Chevy's bogus PR claims. But if this isn’t nipped in the bud, then this nonsense is going to become an annual rite. Ford, Chevy and who knows who else will start claiming a sports car title as dubious as the multiple “championship belts” that sully the credibility of the boxing world.
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Post by dtjackten » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:44 pm

the camero is not a sports car, cut and dry... the author is 100% correct... and honestly the new camero ss is kinda a disappointment to me... by being slow.... granted it is suposbily 425hp stock, but the car damn near weighs in very high compaired to some....

the vette = sports car
the camero = deff. pony car!
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Post by LowNSlow » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:37 pm

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Post by NeonOn19s » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:50 pm

:rofl:

my wife wants one of the SS. She wants to wait for the convertable to come out in '11
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Post by dank(r/t) » Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:00 pm

NeonOn19s wrote::rofl:

my wife wants one of the SS. She wants to wait for the convertable to come out in '11
the wife's getting a convertible camaro ss, and you're driving a neon. i wonder who wears the pants... haha ikeed
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Post by neonslg09 » Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:36 pm

dtjackten wrote: honestly the new camero ss is kinda a disappointment to me... by being slow...

I disagree.

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Post by LowNSlow » Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:45 pm

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Post by neonslg09 » Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:47 pm

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Post by LowNSlow » Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:47 pm

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Post by silversport » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:38 pm

"A Mazda Miata is also a sports car" Im sorry but the Camaro is more of a sports car then a friggen Miata... might as well say an neon ACR is a sports car to...
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Post by MoxHair » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:58 pm

Miata's handle better and have a 50/50 weight distribution. I would classify a Miata more into the sports car category than a Camaro.
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Post by bombtrack07 » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:16 pm

Weight and it's distribution plays a huge factor into the meaning of "sports car." And to reiterate...
We all know what a sports car is: Two seats (or a plus-two layout at most); rear-wheel drive; convertible optional; relatively compact and lightweight.
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Post by darthroush » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:31 pm

I don't consider my Mustang, or any of the other muscle/pony cars, to be a sports cars. They are muscle/pony cars. That being said, the new Camaro is a disappointment IMO, especially for it's price and overall performance.

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Post by DOSneons » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:41 pm

MoxHair wrote:Miata's handle better and have a 50/50 weight distribution. I would classify a Miata more into the sports car category than a Camaro.
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ive driven tons of miatas and ive test driven the new camaro and i would most definitely take a well built miata over the camaro
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Post by MyNeonSaysHi » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:53 pm

Damn cumeros.
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eh who cares.. :roll:
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Post by heydockyle » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:02 am

MyNeonSaysHi wrote:Damn cumeros.
New Mustang > Camaro. Both v6 and v8 models.
Yea that new mustang is sick.
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Post by gtxtreme19 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:06 am

Miata 5.0 fi swap>miata> Camaro any day. I own 2 miatas. One 1.8l mx5 and one 302 swap. Both will outperform the camaro all day everyday. Actually the little 1.8 is my favorite of all. The 302 might be going back to an FE3 2.0 swap.
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Post by Mr Josh Zombie » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:22 am

n20sxt wrote:eh who cares.. :roll:
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Post by n20sxt » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:14 am

Mr Josh Zombie wrote:
n20sxt wrote:eh who cares.. :roll:
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looks like i don't give two shits about the performance auto world cause i don't care what "class" a camaro belongs in :roll:
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Post by lilnicko11 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:55 am

haha one of my friends bought a brand new camaro ss. not even over 10,000 miles I think and the transmission broke the other day. HAHAHAHAH. I just wanted to say, should have bought a Neon.
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Post by racer12306 » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:30 am

lilnicko11 wrote:haha one of my friends bought a brand new camaro ss. not even over 10,000 miles I think and the transmission broke the other day. HAHAHAHAH. I just wanted to say, should have bought a Neon.
Very strange, generally GM has strong transmissions.
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Post by heydockyle » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:21 am

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lilnicko11 wrote:haha one of my friends bought a brand new camaro ss. not even over 10,000 miles I think and the transmission broke the other day. HAHAHAHAH. I just wanted to say, should have bought a Neon.
Very strange, generally GM has strong transmissions.
Yep, and Neon's don't lol.
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Post by rOniN » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:05 pm

My car looks better....

Serious note...author is correct. I classify the camaro and the Challenger as muscle cars and the mustang is a pony car.
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