2.4 into 00 neon

Doing a SRT-4 Motor swap into your Neon, maybe even a 2.4... have questions about it, what you'll need or what issues you'll run into? Answers can be found in here.
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2.4 into 00 neon

Post by neontj » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:52 pm

any one done the 2.4 na into the 00 neon. im in the process of swapping mine and was curious. as ive ran into wiring issues.mainly corrosion lol. also any need for a write up/ how to of the balance shaft removal on the 2.4?thanks tj.
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Post by gtxtreme19 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:05 pm

What's the problem? I think there are only a few people that have done it. Im doing it now, basically just waiting o a few parts to come in
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Post by neontj » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:52 am

on mine i ran into the oil pan hitting the cross member where the lower torque strut bolts on but im using the pt oiling system. i just clearenced it the 1/4" it needed.i used the 1gn head n intake n exhaust on mine. wiring had to be extended on the coolant temp. and the coil wires are a little on the short side but they reach.
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00 neon mtx ghetto blaster s.t.h. s.t.s. cut springs lol. kybs. c.a.i. inserts 12cam udp 1gn 355.

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Post by gtxtreme19 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:18 am

Did you switch the plug wires around? I found the srt oil pan pump set up pretty cheap. Wait I gotta send an email about that. Ill me taking mass pictures while doing mine
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Post by NickKo » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:32 pm

My brother recently bought a 1998 Neon from a guy, with a 2.4 swapped in.
The seller told us that he has already done this previously (swapping the 2.4 N/A, into a 2nd gen Neon.)

I'll have to send him a PM, and find out if there are any tricks or pitfalls to look out for.
I know he used PT Cruiser mounts, but I don't know if he ran into any issues such as K-frame interference, being able to keep working P/S or A/C, etc.

There is plenty of information about doing this swap on 1st Gen Neons, but like gtxtreme said, very few have done the N/A 2.4 swap on a 2nd gen.
I'd like to learn more about doing this, because I'd sure like to do this to the 2000 Neon that I daily drive.....
Somebody should do a write up on doing an N/A 2.4 swap. :)


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Post by gtxtreme19 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:49 pm

NickKo wrote: Somebody should do a write up on doing an N/A 2.4 swap. :)
As soon as all my parts are here and I start doing the work ill be sure to take pictures a plenty and maybe write a how-to

I know you dont have the interference issues when using the srt oiling system. There's a thread a little below this one 2.4 swap* that might be helpful
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Post by neontj » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:23 am

well on mine im having touble getting mine to start n run. im thinking that maybe you dont need to swap wires around. like you do on the 1gn. as all im getting is popping out the exhaust on tempted start up. brake clean or anything it wont start. any ideals?
00 neon gonna be fast one day with a atx.

00 neon mtx ghetto blaster s.t.h. s.t.s. cut springs lol. kybs. c.a.i. inserts 12cam udp 1gn 355.

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Post by NickKo » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:02 am

neontj wrote:well on mine im having touble getting mine to start n run. im thinking that maybe you dont need to swap wires around. like you do on the 1gn. as all im getting is popping out the exhaust on tempted start up. brake clean or anything it wont start. any ideals?
Hmmmmm..... That does sound like the coil may be wired wrong.

I did that once on my '95 Neon, and it was doing the same thing.

I'd suggest double checking the polarity, and switching the wiring around.


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As soon as all my parts are here and I start doing the work ill be sure to take pictures a plenty and maybe write a how-to
Now that would be TOO cool. :thumbup:


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Post by gtxtreme19 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:09 am

Yeah man you have to swap the plug wires because the firing order is reverse I believe. Disconnect your coil and turn it so the plug wires reach to test it at first just to check.
Sounds like tour problem to me
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Post by neontj » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:10 am

well swapped pins n wires wires only made it worse. re pinning helped. almost started last night. so im gonna re wire the injectors as i think its a fuel injection timing issue. this is all bullshit the write ups are wrong or at least the ones ive checked.
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Post by T-Nasty » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:23 pm

are you sure the motor ran prior to installation? May want to check your timing. If starting fluid doesn't start the engine momentarily its not a fuel issue.
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Post by neontj » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:46 pm

yeah it ran. i know the complete history of this engine, well bottom end. top end is from the local pick n pull and i went through it done a vavle job and new seals etc. its got my old sensors and my old sohc ran fine on them.its in perfect time no if ands or buts. so its out there im not an idiot like some that swap. im just really mis lead by the write ups. and mainly going off of the 1gn ones as hardly no one has done this one in a 2g. ill get it figured out, ill probably go ms to fix it.
00 neon gonna be fast one day with a atx.

00 neon mtx ghetto blaster s.t.h. s.t.s. cut springs lol. kybs. c.a.i. inserts 12cam udp 1gn 355.

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Post by NickKo » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:45 pm

neontj wrote:yeah it ran. i know the complete history of this engine, well bottom end. top end is from the local pick n pull and i went through it done a vavle job and new seals etc. its got my old sensors and my old sohc ran fine on them.its in perfect time no if ands or buts. so its out there im not an idiot like some that swap. im just really mis lead by the write ups. and mainly going off of the 1gn ones as hardly no one has done this one in a 2g. ill get it figured out, ill probably go ms to fix it.
I don't think it should be necessary to switch to MS to get it running.
MS does have it's advantages, however.


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Post by Fuzzyneon » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:28 pm

Ive heard you can just cut the chain for the balance shaft and pull the chain out the rest of it would just be minor wieght redux i plan on doing this to my 2.4 swap
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Post by newlitemotorist » Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:07 pm

NickKo wrote:My brother recently bought a 1998 Neon from a guy, with a 2.4 swapped in.
The seller told us that he has already done this previously (swapping the 2.4 N/A, into a 2nd gen Neon.)

I'll have to send him a PM, and find out if there are any tricks or pitfalls to look out for.
I know he used PT Cruiser mounts, but I don't know if he ran into any issues such as K-frame interference, being able to keep working P/S or A/C, etc.

There is plenty of information about doing this swap on 1st Gen Neons, but like gtxtreme said, very few have done the N/A 2.4 swap on a 2nd gen.
I'd like to learn more about doing this, because I'd sure like to do this to the 2000 Neon that I daily drive.....
Somebody should do a write up on doing an N/A 2.4 swap. :)


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Ask away fellas, I even documented this swap last summer but due to financial restraints I was forced to sell before I was able to finish the log. As far as I know the car is still out there running, the guy that I sold it to wound up selling it earlier this year. Here is a link to my old log...yes its unfinished and it lacks in the picture department but if you read all of my posts, there is plenty of good material.

viewtopic.php?t=44379&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I do plan to perform this swap again in my 01 rt, but I am makeing no commitments due to my crazy work schedule. I will provide a better write-up when the time does come though, that I will commit to.

Hope this helps!!!

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Post by neontj » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:57 pm

ok, i think ive figured this out. im pretty sure ive got bad valve seats in my head from maybe bent valves in the past as i got air blowing out the intake mani. so compressoin test will tell the story tonight.
00 neon gonna be fast one day with a atx.

00 neon mtx ghetto blaster s.t.h. s.t.s. cut springs lol. kybs. c.a.i. inserts 12cam udp 1gn 355.

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Post by newlitemotorist » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:20 pm

Your timing could be off...these 2.4's are non-interferance stock so its possible to just retime and run.

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Post by NOS2006 » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:53 pm

Fuzzyneon wrote:Ive heard you can just cut the chain for the balance shaft and pull the chain out the rest of it would just be minor wieght redux i plan on doing this to my 2.4 swap
This is true.. there's a bit more to it than that, but yes. There's a how-to on SRTforums. The main reason you do this mod though, at least on the SRT motors, is in case you're planning on hitting 400hp or more because then you risk that chain snapping and getting up into your internals... not a good thing.

And people claim 10whp from cutting the chain (again, on the SRT motor), but I'm not sure how true that is.
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Post by gtxtreme19 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:09 am

NOS2006 wrote:I just did this swap and had electrical problem after electrical problem.

First off, you HAVE to swap both the engine harness and the engine bay fuse box harness.

Second, make sure you have the right connectors hooked up to the coil pack and cam position sensor. They CAN be switched around, so make sure that they are on the correct sensors. This was the last problem with mine before I got it started.

Third, unhook the battery for about 10 minutes. After, hook the battery back up and try to start the car. Once you do all of these things, tell us what happens and also do the "key dance" (turn key to accessories on position then off, then on, then off, then on...) and tell us what codes you've got.

Did you get your PCM reprogrammed or did you get the SKIM module swapped in from the car you got the PCM from?

Fuzzyneon wrote:Ive heard you can just cut the chain for the balance shaft and pull the chain out the rest of it would just be minor wieght redux i plan on doing this to my 2.4 swap
This is true.. there's a bit more to it than that, but yes. There's a how-to on SRTforums. The main reason you do this mod though is in case you're planning on hitting 400hp or more because then you risk that chain snapping and getting up into your internals... not a good thing.

And people claim 10whp from cutting the chain, but I'm not sure how true that is.
WTF are you talking about? Read up he's not doing an srt swap just an NA 2.4 no harness needed.
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Post by NOS2006 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:30 am

My mistake, didn't see him say NA. Post editted.
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Post by neontj » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:54 am

ok done a compression test results was 50 70 100 70. then done a leak down test 1 n 3 leaking badly out the intake 2 and 4 exhaust and intake. so probably a junk head
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00 neon mtx ghetto blaster s.t.h. s.t.s. cut springs lol. kybs. c.a.i. inserts 12cam udp 1gn 355.

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Post by NickKo » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:13 pm

neontj wrote:ok done a compression test results was 50 70 100 70. then done a leak down test 1 n 3 leaking badly out the intake 2 and 4 exhaust and intake. so probably a junk head
Or just bent valves.


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Post by neontj » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:05 pm

well everyone, i got great news.got my 2.4 running started first try. turns out i had a very bad head lol. so thanks for all the help.
00 neon gonna be fast one day with a atx.

00 neon mtx ghetto blaster s.t.h. s.t.s. cut springs lol. kybs. c.a.i. inserts 12cam udp 1gn 355.

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Post by NickKo » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:28 pm

neontj wrote:well everyone, i got great news.got my 2.4 running started first try. so thanks for all the help.
This is Awesome. :thumbup:


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Post by neontj » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:10 am

taking this turd to the mopar nats well see what a stock 2.4 runs in a 2g hope to dip into the 14s if the clutch holds up. as its the stock 2.0 used junkyard clutch ha ha.
00 neon gonna be fast one day with a atx.

00 neon mtx ghetto blaster s.t.h. s.t.s. cut springs lol. kybs. c.a.i. inserts 12cam udp 1gn 355.

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Post by NickKo » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:18 pm

neontj wrote:taking this turd to the mopar nats well see what a stock 2.4 runs in a 2g hope to dip into the 14s if the clutch holds up. as its the stock 2.0 used junkyard clutch ha ha.
Cool... Please keep us posted !!



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Post by neontj » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:10 pm

sorry been a while. it ran like a turd lol broke tons of parts but i did trap my new best speed of 91. picked up 2-3 mph over my stock sohc. heat was nasty and killed any chance of good passes. but over all it ran good. also found it ran better on e85 lol. its a long story.
00 neon gonna be fast one day with a atx.

00 neon mtx ghetto blaster s.t.h. s.t.s. cut springs lol. kybs. c.a.i. inserts 12cam udp 1gn 355.

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Post by NickKo » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:47 pm

neontj wrote:sorry been a while. it ran like a turd lol broke tons of parts but i did trap my new best speed of 91. picked up 2-3 mph over my stock sohc. heat was nasty and killed any chance of good passes.
2-3MPH gain in the quarter, at 91MPH, is nothing to sneeze at. :thumbup:
Especially when you consider the conditions.

Thanks for the update, and please post some more details later, when you have time.


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-2001 ACR w/SRT T/B bored out to 55mm

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