Neutral safety switch

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:11 pm

Ok, i got the manual swap done in my car this weekend thanks to Juan, jerry, and fuzzy

Its a 2002 atx wiring harness and i need to know where the neutral safety switch is so I can ground it and get the car started..

There was no wire diagrams that I could find for it either..

Any help would be great

thanks
-Chris

Hudson_Neon · Post by **Hudson_Neon** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:49 pm

neutral safety is the same as park/neutral. one option you could do is to take the park/neutral switch off the trans, put it in neutral, plug it in, and zip tie it out of the way. right now i'm trying to understand the wiring diagram

gtxtreme19 · Post by **gtxtreme19** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:58 pm

Look at your atx tranny. The switch itsself is right on the front and has 3 little prongs. The wiring is only about a foot long and round. Ill go get you a PC of my spare if you want to see it?

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:03 pm

Ok cool, yeah if you could get a picture of it that would be great!

gtxtreme19 · Post by **gtxtreme19** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:57 pm

I could have done better but you get the idea. If your standing in front of your car looking at your ecu look at the connector to the far left and its this one I took a picture of and it only has the 2 conneactors on it. The short wire (three wires to it) is the fella you want.
My wiring is a fucking mess or I'd show you my actual car I dont think its decipherable right now

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:04 pm

Ok cool, ill look at it tomorrow since its already late tonight. thanks for the picture!

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:44 pm

Thats the 3 speed Hgan, not the 4 like yours.

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:46 pm

Damn.. It did look weird like I haven't seen that before.

I knew something would really screw me up.. just wish it wasn't electrical..

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:59 pm

Are you also using the ATX PCM?

You should really wire the clutch interlock to ground the neutral safety, so it doesn't get cranked while in gear. You also don't want to have the PCM think it is in neutral or park while driving, unless you want a built in speed limiter.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:03 pm

Looks like the neutral safety switch is located elsewhere than the transmission?

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:09 pm

Yeah, i have the atx pcm.

So the neutral safety switch isn't on the tranny??

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:22 pm

All I have is the '04 wiring for the 41te, and it shows 8 wires. I doubt the '02 does, as it has the separate TCM. I can look tomorrow at the Sundance connector, but I don't know if it is the same, being a '93

My '01 FSM does not show the 41te.
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OK the '94 FSM shows the black plug as the Park/Neutral switch.

At the bottom far right of the right side picture of the two transmissions shown above.

Just above the pan rail, there is the solenoid pack, then the white range sensor, and the black P/N switch.

Find the connector that matches that switch.

Hopefully the '02 ATX matches that picture.

gtxtreme19 · Post by **gtxtreme19** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:28 pm

It has to be im assuming its the range sensor but Idk. I didn't realize you had a 4 speed

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:36 pm

He is going to have to wire the range sensor so it thinks it's in gear, and the P/N switch closed, or through the clutch interlock switch.

The range sensor and the P/N switch are two separate items, at least on the '90's 41te. I can't see it being much different, since it is essentially the same set up.

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:45 pm

for anyone wondering.. yes my car is now running.. don't ask how to start it because its very interesting LOL... I need to get different trans fluid and bleed it. If I stall this out in traffic people are going to be pissed hahahaha

Jerry told me to just connect the starter relay fuse together and it will force my car to turn over (when the key is turned to ignition). So i have a piece of cardboard in the starter relay so all i have to do is connect it to the fuse box and it turns over.. I can't leave the relay in though.. So i have to connect it for a few seconds just to turn it on and then pull it out once the car is started..

Best part, running an automatic pcm and wire harness thats not connected to anything to the transmission really.. Speedo doesn't work and it doesn't have the rev limit at 4k either.. WIN!!

I have a manual pcm in my room (thank you fuzzy

) that i might get flashed for my car saturday.. but after all that, i still need to find myself a 02 wire harness for a manual transmission..

Fuzzyneon · Post by **Fuzzyneon** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:42 am

Glad it runs
im still trying to figure out nuetral safty shit so you dont have to rig it

"I cant wear skinny jeans cause mtx pcms dont fit"

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:05 pm

Thanks fuzzy!!

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:15 pm

That was the best JY trip ever.

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:07 pm

It really was! LOLOL

Remind me to buy some huge pregnancy pants next time we hit up the junkyard

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:36 pm

An '01 MTX harness should be the same. No real changes between '01 and '02 as far as MTX neons go. Same for the PCM. You haz two years to pick from. Just the '02 PCM, you will get the misfire CEL with an UDP.

Remind me to buy some huge pregnancy pants

Happy searching, Sponge Bertha Pregnancy Pantys!

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:56 pm

Ok cool

My dad pretty much wired the fuse box up so that I have a switch that will run the starter from inside the car.. So if i stall, i can just turn the key and start it right back up (don't even have to push the clutch in, but i do).

I will get the wire harness soon and everything because I would like to have my speedo back LOL

Fuzzyneon · Post by **Fuzzyneon** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:22 pm

Haganracing wrote:It really was! LOLOL

Remind me to buy some huge pregnancy pants next time we hit up the junkyard

FUCK YES epic trip indeed

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:24 pm

We need to do another trip to that junkyard soon... epic 95 neons everywhere!!!

Fuzzyneon · Post by **Fuzzyneon** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:34 pm

Haganracing wrote:

We need to do another trip to that junkyard soon... epic 95 neons everywhere!!!

Agreed
when you getting the harness?

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:35 pm

I have no clue, im pretty content with how the car is right now LOL

brandon mitchel · Post by **brandon mitchel** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:06 pm

Haganracing wrote:Ok, i got the manual swap done in my car this weekend thanks to Juan, jerry, and fuzzy

Its a 2002 atx wiring harness and i need to know where the neutral safety switch is so I can ground it and get the car started..

There was no wire diagrams that I could find for it either..

Any help would be great

thanks
-Chris

The neutral safety switch prevents your unit from firing up unless your shift selector is in the neutral or park position right?

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:51 pm

brandon mitchel wrote: The neutral safety switch prevents [your starter from cranking], unless your shift selector is in the neutral or park position right?

Correct.

It is just for ATX's tho. The clutch interlock switch is for MTX's (Just to be sure we're all on the same page.)

fox02neon · Post by **fox02neon** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:45 pm

Hey Haganracing,

I am looking for another wire harness and also the neutral safety switch problem as well. This kids car I am working with is an 05. I did a complete srt swap in my 02. If you are looking for a key. ignition, pcm, locks, key less entry box and wire harness let me know with a price you are willing to offer. I can send you a picture with the date on it. If you would like to see my credibility I am on the srt 4 fourms as fox02neon and also on ebay. If you would like a secure transaction I could even list it as a buy it know on ebay. Just let me know. I also have a few other parts. No motor or tranny.

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fattycrack · Post by **fattycrack** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:15 pm

i had the same problem but all i did was ground out the starter relay and it works fine. i have no speed limiter but i also have no speedometer but i believe i kno why. it doesnt have to do with my set up. if you are looking at the fuse box from the fron of the car the pin you put the ground to is the top left pin and your car wil start right up every time. ive been running this for over a year now with no problems.

fox02neon · Post by **fox02neon** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:26 pm

fattycrack wrote:i had the same problem but all i did was ground out the starter relay and it works fine. i have no speed limiter but i also have no speedometer but i believe i kno why. it doesnt have to do with my set up. if you are looking at the fuse box from the fron of the car the pin you put the ground to is the top left pin and your car wil start right up every time. ive been running this for over a year now with no problems.

Yea, i did this just to make sure everything worked. I am looking to see what three wires i need to hook up, i found a tranny guy that is comming over to take a look at it. See how it goes thanks. for your help.

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