what are the best but cheap

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:40 am

hey so i have to buy new tires for my car very soon. i have a fuzion hri 185 65 15 on my right rear witch is brand new, from the dealer i got my car from. so i was looking to buy only 3 tires since i already have a new one on the car. How good are those tires?

i was looking at tirerack.com and i saw lrr. low rolling risistance. what is that?

if im thinking right id prolly want those because i LOVE taking corners REAL fast. if the hazard sign says 25 around the corner i take it about 35 40. would i want lrr tires? or no? i also saw General Altimax HP

The fuzions are high performance. and the General is grand touring. but both of those Are Not lrr tires.

just trying to get some knowledge about what tires would be best for my car. thanks

SlvrACR · Post by **SlvrACR** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:47 am

LRR just means that it takes less effort to keeps rolling thus giving you better gas mileage. Most if not all Hybrids use LRR. They are nothing for performance they mostly are for fuel economy and less wear and tear.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:57 am

ohhhh haha alright thanks.

Post by **racer12306** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:28 pm

best and cheap don't go together.

you can get decent cheaper options, but if you want the absolute best you need to spend some money.

Mopar_Korean · Post by **Mopar_Korean** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:16 pm

Tire price list:

Crappy and cheap= Yes

Good and cheap = Kinda sorta

Better and cheap = Not gona happen

Best and cheap = GTFO.

With that said stay away from fuzions.

Tires are one of thoes "you get what you pay for" kind of things.

I just realize I didnt answer your question. Step up to a 205-50-15 or a 195-60-15 and you can get some better choices. Yes these tires will fit.

Falken 512 are around 65 bucks

Bridgestone grids are around 75 bucks and have a 50,000 mile warranty.

Dunlop DZ101 are 71 bucks and a great tire for a stock car. Just dont try and drive in the snow with them.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:35 pm

wish i would have read this befor buying haha.

i just bought 185/65/15 fuzions. o well i hope they are good tires

any ways i was wondering. i have had 2 people tell me that 185 is to big for my car. and you said i could run up to 205. how does this affect my car? does it hurt the car? what about gas millage and my speedometer?

Mopar_Korean · Post by **Mopar_Korean** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:33 pm

The two people who told you a 185 tire is to big is smoking crack.

Neon models were now SE, ES, R/T, and ACR. The SE had Goodyear Eagle GA tires (P185/65R14), with optional (standard on ES) P185/60R15 Eagle LS tires. The R/T came with P195/50R16H Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires, an excellent combination (note the 16" wheels and low aspect ratio). The ACR came with P185/60R15 Goodyear NCT3 tires. -Allpar.com

Running a 205 pros and cons:

Pro:

Wider contact patch = more grip
Shorter sidewall height = better corning ability as the sidewall dosent "roll" when corning.
Shorter overall height = Faster acceleration off the line.
Tire types=tires in this size are more performance oriented.

Cons:

Wider contact patch = more rolling resistance. Also the scrub radius changes making the car more prone to torque steer.
Shorter overall height = you are essentially gearing down the drive train. Meaning at highway speeds the engine is going to be at a higher RPM.
Smaller selection of tires. Especially if you only have one set for the entire year.

These are basic pro and cons. Some are more dramitic then others. For example just because the 205 aids in acceleration doesn't mean it will drop a second off your ET. Nor does the added rolling resistance drop 10 MPG.

To be perfectly honest the biggest difference I could really feel was the handling. The ride was a bit stiffer and if I did launch off the line the wheel would jerk a bit. MPG didnt change for my driving style and I still managed my all time high of 40 MPG driving to Boston once.

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:34 pm

thisdieingdream1 wrote:wish i would have read this befor buying haha.

i just bought 185/65/15 fuzions. o well i hope they are good tires

any ways i was wondering. i have had 2 people tell me that 185 is to big for my car. and you said i could run up to 205. how does this affect my car? does it hurt the car? what about gas millage and my speedometer?

Yeah, your car came with 185/60/15. So you are a hair taller than stock. It doesn't hurt anything. the speedo will be slightly off.

General tire rack reviews can tell you what tires are good.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:35 am

alright thanks

so now im wondering about spacers for my wheels. i know it should be in a diffrent section but i didnt want to start a new thread.

i have a 2004 sxt. nothing is done to its suspension. so what size spacers would look good? would they help handle better?

C1DoG · Post by **C1DoG** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:44 am

thisdieingdream1 wrote:alright thanks

so now im wondering about spacers for my wheels. i know it should be in a diffrent section but i didnt want to start a new thread.

i have a 2004 sxt. nothing is done to its suspension. so what size spacers would look good? would they help handle better?

You will need spacers depending on wether or not the tire rubs on the arm behind them. Personally, I went with 10mm Eibach pro-spacers in the rear. Unless you have the rubbing in the front, there is no need for spacers there. As to looking good, asthetically speaking. They don't really show so there should be no problems with them looking good.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:46 am

alright, so spacers in the back not in the front.

will it handle better?

and i ment like will the tires be out flush with the body. know what i mean? ive seen some cars with the tires sticking out of the fender welds.

thats kinda what im looking for. to make my car look more sporty. but i want it to handle better more then making it look better.

C1DoG · Post by **C1DoG** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:01 am

thisdieingdream1 wrote:alright, so spacers in the back not in the front.

will it handle better?

and i ment like will the tires be out flush with the body. know what i mean? ive seen some cars with the tires sticking out of the fender welds.

thats kinda what im looking for. to make my car look more sporty. but i want it to handle better more then making it look better.

I have found with the 10mm spacers that the back tire sticks flush and yeah in my experience it does handle better. If I can get a pic later on today of how far it sticks out.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:03 am

alright sweet thanks

but im wondering if i went ahead and did space out the front tires as well, what may that look like and how would it handle then. would it handle better to have all tires spaced or just teh back two

C1DoG · Post by **C1DoG** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:13 am

thisdieingdream1 wrote:alright sweet thanks

but im wondering if i went ahead and did space out the front tires as well, what may that look like and how would it handle then. would it handle better to have all tires spaced or just teh back two

I suppose you could add them to the front also. You just have to take off the disc brake and put in longer lug bolts for it.

Here is the rear wheel with 10mm spacers compared to the front.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:33 am

alright thanks... if i went a little more though like lets say 15mm would that hurt?

also do you have to do anything to put these spacers on in the back?

and you said for the front i have to take off the disc brakes to put longer lug nuts in? is that costly? is it hard? haha

C1DoG · Post by **C1DoG** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:46 am

thisdieingdream1 wrote:alright thanks... if i went a little more though like lets say 15mm would that hurt?

also do you have to do anything to put these spacers on in the back?

and you said for the front i have to take off the disc brakes to put longer lug nuts in? is that costly? is it hard? haha

In order to put in 10mm spacers or bigger you have to take out the lug bolts for either front or back. It is a bit of a headache if you don't have the right tools. And a whole lot of elbow grease to get all the longer lug bolts in. If you can do it yourself it won't be that costly, just a bit of your time. You have to use a ratchet and lug nut to tighten each bolt along with something holding the wheel assembly. The wheel assembly is not that hard to take off. And sorry I meant longer lug bolts, not longer lug nuts.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:55 am

where did you get your spacers? how much were they?

i saw some that are 30mm for 150 for one =( i didnt think it was going to be that pricey

C1DoG · Post by **C1DoG** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:57 am

Where did you look. I got my spacers from Eibach.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:03 pm

http://www.streetperformance.com/m/cats ... ibach.html

there

C1DoG · Post by **C1DoG** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:45 pm

30mm is a bit extreme to me, but that is just my opinion. And for the size that sounds about right for price.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:30 am

ohhh alright thanks

hey i dont know if you know anything about this or not... i dont wanna start a new thread... people get mad

the 2004 r/t neon has 150 horses and has a 9.8 compression ratio.

i have the sxt neon and i was wondering how i could change my car to make it like the r/t

C1DoG · Post by **C1DoG** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:42 am

From what I get on the forums is, if you want it to be like an R/T than swap it for an R/T.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:44 am

ohh =(

cuz i was reading stuff on the rt and sxt and all i got was that the compression ratio was diffrent... thats the only diffrence...

rt 9.8 150 hp

sxt 9.3 132 hp

C1DoG · Post by **C1DoG** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:55 am

you might be able to swap internal stuff, but I don't hvae the knowledge as to what.

thisdieingdream1 · Post by **thisdieingdream1** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:08 am

alright thanks

i posted a thread in the engine section

thanks again

ragek23 · Post by **ragek23** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:40 pm

look or start a new thread in the n/a or engine category about upping HP. basically your biggest problem in the 03-05 sxt models compared to the r/t is the camshaft is smaller/less aggressive, the compression ratio is less, the sxt head flows less efficiently, the intake manifold flows less efficiently, the transmission gearing is less aggressive, and the PCM (engine computer) is tuned less aggressively.