awd neon?

sxtneon05 · Post by **sxtneon05** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:00 pm

idk if this is a dumb question but i was just think about it the other day. i have a 05 sxt if i got all the stuff i needed for the awd out of a sxt caliper would it work on my neon ? to mean it sounds like it would work but yea idk lol

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:07 pm

1. The R/T was the only Caliber to receive AWD.

2. The only R/T that came with AWD had the CVT transmission.

So if you were going to make it work you would need to make the Neon and/or Caliber computer control the right stuff. Plus I'd be surprised if the Caliber trans actually bolted to the Neon engine.

aka: royal PITA and possibly impossible to do it with the Caliber drivetrain.

sxtneon05 · Post by **sxtneon05** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:06 pm

ok i kinda figured it wasn't easy since i haven't seen one but could you i just don't really know to much about the calipers so i have no clue how anything works in them but is a awd neon even possible i know there are 1gn ones but i haven't seen 2gn ones

Jenni · Post by **Jenni** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:29 pm

take an old Toyota pickup, remove the body and put a Neon body on it...

Mopar00Neon · Post by **Mopar00Neon** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:43 pm

CaliBer,.. not Caliper. Really, the P and the B aren't even close to each other on the keyboard.

sxtneon05 · Post by **sxtneon05** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:44 pm

lol im good and i just curious if a awd neon is possible without looking like that

NiteHawk · Post by **NiteHawk** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:52 pm

anything is possible with enough money.....

you'de be better off trying to adapt the AWD setup out of an eagle talon...

Post by **occasional demons** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:54 pm

With enough skill and money, sure it could look bone stock. IIRC at least one 1gn conversions used Subie parts. There is a thread somewhere.

sxtneon05 · Post by **sxtneon05** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:14 pm

yea i have seen the 1gn one

UriahRR · Post by **UriahRR** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:14 am

If it's possible, let me know. Even the guys that run autocrosses say that, for being front wheel drive, the SRT's are equal to or better than the EVO's. If only they were all wheel drive, they would be completely on the same page. Sorry mox.

SRT-4WD FTMFW

gtxtreme19 · Post by **gtxtreme19** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:10 am

The eagle talons that were awd had the tranny on the right side, you'd have to swap EVERYTHING. Too much hassle IMO not to mention how much Fab work you'd have to do

Jenni · Post by **Jenni** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:02 am

sxtneon05 wrote:yea i have seen the 1gn one

yeah i have also seen

Neon4Life · Post by **Neon4Life** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:12 am

My opinion.. unless you have like $50k to get started then I wouldtn even think about an AWD neon. Is it imposible.. no. Anything is possile with the rite amount of money. We got a supercharged neon on here.. who woulda ever thought of supercharged neons.

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:14 am

gtxtreme19 wrote:The eagle talons that were awd had the tranny on the right side, you'd have to swap EVERYTHING. Too much hassle IMO not to mention how much Fab work you'd have to do

Exactly, the biggest issue to get around for the whole thing is to have a transmission with a PTO to drive the rear axle.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:26 am

Just to clairify, the Caliber did come in AWD in the SXT line. But all AWD Calibers were CVT.

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:33 am

UriahRR wrote:Even the guys that run autocrosses say that, for being front wheel drive, the SRT's are equal to or better than the EVO's.

Then those people were drunk.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:16 pm

JeffM wrote:
UriahRR wrote:Even the guys that run autocrosses say that, for being front wheel drive, the SRT's are equal to or better than the EVO's.
Then those people were drunk.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:45 pm

Well if you don't mind ATX, and either making an adapter, or figuring out a v6 swap... there is the 41AE ATX. The plus side is it is the narrower V6. But the rear axles were leaf sprung, and not independent suspension.

http://www.allpar.com/eek/awd.html

http://monster-transmissions.com/produc ... _id=127058

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:53 pm

heydockyle wrote:
JeffM wrote:
UriahRR wrote:Even the guys that run autocrosses say that, for being front wheel drive, the SRT's are equal to or better than the EVO's.
Then those people were drunk.

Seriously. What were those people smoking. The difference between an Evo and an SRT is NIGHT and DAY. I've driven and owned both and raced them at the autocross with different modifications. The Evo is miles better. I wouldn't even think to compare an SRT to it. In the Evo I have finished ahead of every SRT4 that has ever come out to the autocross. Every one. None of them were even close.

EDIT AGAIN- I have nothing against FWD, I like FWD. My MS3 was very quick at the track. My Evo is seconds faster than my MS3 ever was. SRTs couldn't keep up with my MS3 and somehow an SRT is a better car than an Evo? It's just not comparable.

Danteneon wrote:Just to clairify, the Caliber did come in AWD in the SXT line. But all AWD Calibers were CVT.

The Caliber AWD system is an inferior system

UriahRR · Post by **UriahRR** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:18 pm

Hey, it took me back when I heard it, too, but they were the ones running it, so I figured they'd seen enough racing to know. Maybe not? I don't see how the Evo 9 and older are that much better than the SRT's, though. 270 hp 2.0L I4 turbo AWD vs 230 hp 2.4L I4 turbo FWD. It always seemed close to me. Not as close as the Evo and STI, of course, the neon falls short on both of them, but still close-ish in my mind.

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:19 pm

UriahRR wrote:Hey, it took me back when I heard it, too, but they were the ones running it, so I figured they'd seen enough racing to know. Maybe not? I don't see how the Evo 9 and older are that much better than the SRT's, though. 270 hp 2.0L I4 turbo AWD vs 230 hp 2.4L I4 turbo FWD. It always seemed close to me. Not as close as the Evo and STI, of course, the neon falls short on both of them, but still close-ish in my mind.

Drive them.. They aren't close.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:16 am

occasional demons wrote:Well if you don't mind ATX, and either making an adapter, or figuring out a v6 swap... there is the 41AE ATX. The plus side is it is the narrower V6. But the rear axles were leaf sprung, and not independent suspension.

http://www.allpar.com/eek/awd.html

http://monster-transmissions.com/produc ... _id=127058

Una over on neons.org is working on this with a dodge omni. He's adapting the v6 Awd trans to the srt motor and using some sort of rear end in it. Should be interesting when he's done.

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:58 am

Understeer FTL

Evo AYC FTW

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:28 am

MoxHair wrote:The Caliber AWD system is an inferior system

Very true. I was just throwing that out there.

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:54 am

JeffM wrote:Understeer FTL

Evo AYC FTW

AYC makes the ladies wet. I'm glad they finally decided to give it to the US market with the Evo X.

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:00 am

MoxHair wrote:AYC makes the ladies wet.

But try explaining it to 98% of them and they would never understand.

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:13 am

Sometimes the best explanation is a great demonstration.

bone-yard-racing · Post by **bone-yard-racing** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:07 pm

MoxHair wrote:
UriahRR wrote:Hey, it took me back when I heard it, too, but they were the ones running it, so I figured they'd seen enough racing to know. Maybe not? I don't see how the Evo 9 and older are that much better than the SRT's, though. 270 hp 2.0L I4 turbo AWD vs 230 hp 2.4L I4 turbo FWD. It always seemed close to me. Not as close as the Evo and STI, of course, the neon falls short on both of them, but still close-ish in my mind.
Drive them.. They aren't close.

So everyone understands in our club the only other SRT4 guy is good very very good and our only 3 good evo guys are now running track days the SRT looks much better because of Forest. In the right class with the right mods the SRT can keep up with the awd cars its the getting ahead that is tricky. Keep in mind the SRT is roughly 500lb lighter than an evo and our courses dont have a problem with grip.

AWD neon could be done it would be much the same as my Omni use the rear diff and axles from a 2gn caravan AWD with a custom built subframe. The driveshaft is custom using the vans as a base. The PTO comes from the van aswell you'll need the whole transaxle. You then need a 568 transaxle from a Daytona 90+ this can be machined to accept the van PTO. The drivers axle is neon the pass is custom using van inner CV and whatever goes outside of that. Attaching the 568 to a neon engine isnt something Ive put any thought into.

DoubtedNeon · Post by **DoubtedNeon** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:20 am

^ impressive

steamer1227 · Post by **steamer1227** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:46 pm

Love the neon trucks. Hahahahahah