Timing Belt Replacement - Parts?

nerox · Post by **nerox** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:31 am

So im looking to replace the timing belt and i've seen on eBay a kit with belt, tensioner and water pump.

it says its for 1995-2005 dodge neon (ECB)

ive got an R/T and seem to remember its an ECH not ECB ... will the kit for the ECB engine still be the right parts?

link below

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/95-05-CHRYSLER-DO ... 5d2c41224d

also ... what else should i change ?

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:26 am

This looks like a good kit.

R/T or 'regular' Neon, the timing belt components are the same.

Definitely do change the water pump, as long as you are in there.

- Nick

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Mon May 30, 2011 12:21 pm

Change:

-timing belt
-timing belt tensioner
-water pump
-cam seal
-crank seal

If necessary:

-upper torque strut
-PS/AC idler
-PS/AC drive belt
-Alternator drive belt

g_force58 · Post by **g_force58** » Mon May 30, 2011 1:29 pm

THIS

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:37 pm

THIS

if you like to spend too much money

NickKo · Post by **NickKo** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:24 pm

fixitmattman wrote:THIS if you like to spend too much money

Neonite Cheapskate.

The cam and crank seals are actually pretty CHEAP !!
It's the LABOR involved putting them in, that really Sucks.

Well, I do not replace the crankshaft seal when I do the timing belts on my own Neons.... I see no reason to, unless you've got a leak in that area.
Feel free to disagree.

The cam seal may not need to be replaced, either, unless it is leaking, or you are going to do a cam swap like me.

But I would definitely do the timing belt, water pump, and the tensioner for sure.

- Nick

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:53 pm

How do I know what Tensioner is in my 2001 neon? My Timing belt is approaching soon!

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon May 30, 2011 10:59 pm

Just use the '04/'05 tensioner and put the hole in the back timing cover for the tensioner. The hydraulic one is stupid expensive even in the States.

gcretro · Post by **gcretro** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:01 pm

don't buy the gates kit. At least 4 of us here have to live with a slight droning sound at idle/return to idle. none of us have an idea what it's due to just the nature of the gates belt is the interim verdict.

Post by **racer12306** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:34 pm

hmmm, guess we shall see if mine has the same issue.

I honestly can't see a Gates belt being a problem due to their huge reputation for years of quality product, but we will see.

nerox · Post by **nerox** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:36 pm

anyone bought from Rock Auto?

they seem to sell pretty much every part for our cars from every manufacturer.

their website is damn confusing though !

Post by **racer12306** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:41 pm

I, and many others, have bought many parts from Rock Auto. Great website with great prices, as long as the shipping doesn't kill it.

I have two boxes at my house with my "100,000 mile service" parts in them.

The catalog is essentially one big drop down. You select the brand, then the year, then the model, then submodel. Looks like you can even select the currency of British pounds.

Enter this code in the How did you hear about us box on checkout and you can get 5% off.

58568684072636

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:53 pm

When I had mine done... I went with Mopar parts for everything which if nothing else gave me the warm fuzzies and did a "Hoover" on my wallet.

All those "If necessary" parts, except for the list that follows, needed to be replaced on mine.

The only parts replaced that did not seem to be necessary were the following:

-cam seal
-crank seal
-PS/AC drive belt
-Alternator drive belt

Those were relatively cheap... so I had them changed.

I saw the old water pump and could see where it had been seeping coolant and breaking apart. Most definitely the water pump and PS/AC idler were not spinning smoothly as the new parts.

If nothing else, it enabled the vehicle to make it all the way from Canada down to Texas without an issue.

Now my old Neon is somewhere with a new owner who may be wondering if the timing belt job has been done... all because the dealer insisted they did not want my collection of invoices for parts and labor. Go figure... that is the 2nd time a dealer has declined my offer of the service history paperwork. You'd think they would want that and be able to ask more for the vehicle given they can prove the service history.. ie: that it was well taken care of.

In any case, if you do the work yourself that changes things in that you won't have the labor... so some of those items you can leave out if you don't mind the possibility of needed to tear into it again.

darthroush · Post by **darthroush** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:55 pm

I bought the Gates kit ($85 on Amazon), and haven't had an issue in 30,000 miles with noise.

Don't forget the accessory belt tensioner pulley!

Post by **racer12306** » Tue May 31, 2011 6:17 pm

Paul56 wrote:Now my old Neon is somewhere with a new owner who may be wondering if the timing belt job has been done... all because the dealer insisted they did not want my collection of invoices for parts and labor. Go figure... that is the 2nd time a dealer has declined my offer of the service history paperwork. You'd think they would want that and be able to ask more for the vehicle given they can prove the service history.. ie: that it was well taken care of.

Or they could say, we aren't sure if it's been done but to prevent any major engine damage we can change it for you for $XXXX

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Tue May 31, 2011 9:39 pm

Question guys....replacing the timing belt is a full on job...if I were to buy the parts here (expensive) at least I could get a easy exchange ...being that its seriously important......however...if I was to buy the parts from the USA...(cheaper) whats the chance of a dud water pump or tensioner? are these things usually perfect first up?

imagine I get the water pump install it and its screwed! holy shit my car would be outa action for months taking the part out and sending it back up and waiting for the new one...

what would U guys do in my situation....?

nerox · Post by **nerox** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:07 am

Alex,

i'm in the same situation as you really being in the UK.

i think i will be shopping around over here to see how cheap i can get the parts loacally. then if they are fail on fit it should only be a trip down the road and maybe a day or 2 for a new one.

i noticed that parts were a lot cheaper in the USA but by the time you add shipping, import duty and VAT its hardly worth and hassle for a couple of quid.

if the parts in AU were much more than in the US then i guess all you could do was give the parts a good inspection on arrival to rule out any obvious failure then keep

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:58 am

or buy two

Water pumps are cheap, comparatively.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:49 pm

occasional demons wrote:Just use the '04/'05 tensioner and put the hole in the back timing cover for the tensioner. The hydraulic one is stupid expensive even in the States.

hey Bill
Not sure what you mean...I dont know if my neon is mechanical or hydraulic? does it make a difference in fit? how do I find out? help me mate!

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:56 am

Alex Kurdian wrote:
occasional demons wrote:Just use the '04/'05 tensioner and put the hole in the back timing cover for the tensioner. The hydraulic one is stupid expensive even in the States.
hey Bill
Not sure what you mean...I dont know if my neon is mechanical or hydraulic? does it make a difference in fit? how do I find out? help me mate!

He means it doesn't matter, you can upgrade if you have the older style hydraulic tensioner to the newer, cheaper mechanical tensioner. You just have to add a hole in the timing cover. You'll also need to purchase the bracket for the mechanical tensioner.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:33 am

Thanx Bro....

ohh and to let you guys know what Chrysler charge here for a Mechanical Tensioner.....Take a guess.......

$770 Bucks

nerox · Post by **nerox** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:16 pm

$770?!

are u 'avin a laugh?

you can get about 5 entire kits for that price!

see the ebay link in the my first post

its $165 USD including shipping to the UK (i've checked and would be just over $170 USD to Oz) and includes the belt, tensioner and water pump.

for $770 why not buy 5 of them and then sell the other 4 on to other people in Oz ... if a tensioner is $770 you can surely get $1000 for the kit

Post by **racer12306** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:53 pm

They really rape people in AU on part prices.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:06 pm

As to the Gates belts making noise, the OE belt from Chrysler is made by Gates. I would suspect a pulley before the belt for noise.

I'm running the Gates racing belt which is supposed to be louder, but it isn't.

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:17 pm

Alex Kurdian wrote:Thanx Bro....

ohh and to let you guys know what Chrysler charge here for a Mechanical Tensioner.....Take a guess.......

$770 Bucks

Sure that's not the price for the conversion kit. They tried to sell me the same thing when I went to buy one, $680 CAD.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:30 pm

Naaa mate 770 just for the tensioner

Post by **occasional demons** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:03 pm

The only way you really know is to take it apart, but I would bet your '01 has the hydro tensioner. The '04 Litens tensioner I bought came with the complete mounting bracket.

http://chronoscender.freeservers.com/ne ... gbelt.html

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=185472

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:11 pm

Thanx Bill
I rang Chrysler and they gave me this part number for the tensioner apparently for my car...4668364AD and he did say it was mechanical...BUT he did say check the part because its an export model and the tensioner and water pump may not fit...he said the part number for the export tensioner started with 5018....he wouldn't give me the rest of the part number....

I am happy to buy a mopar tensioner and water pump but is there any difference with the tensioners for export neon's???HELP!

nerox · Post by **nerox** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:37 am

i doubt there is a difference except the part number.

i've noticed a few times that US/UK dealers part numbers differ for the same part.

95% of parts seem to be identical, i think only differences are interior & steering (if RHD) & some of the extras we got

Would i be correct thinking that cars in Oz are RHD same as UK ?

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:41 am

Correct mate...

Another Stealership here quoted $1000 Bucks just for the Mechanical tensioner!

I would buy the Litten Tensioner if some one here can vouch for it...

modern performance sell the Gates Timing belt and Litten Tensioner ...And I know nothing about who Litten are!

I just need to be 100% certain that export and local neon timing components are the same!

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