DING CEL ! Help (update)

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:40 am

Hey Guys
I got some CELs
Can anyone help and what's the fix

P1684 I don't know why this came up I have not disconnected the battery
P0551
P1193

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:25 am

yeah dont worry about 1684

0551 is for your power steering pressure switch, the car will drive fine but whats causing it is the sensor most likely has gone bad and needs replaced, its about 20$ here in the states. its easy to replace, something you can do yourself.

1193 is your air intake temp sensor, most likely either came unplugged or fell out of the grommet on the intake tube. take a look at the pipe going into the airbox, there should be a round rubber grommet where the sensor should push into.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:31 am

Thanx mate sounds like its something simple
The power steering pressure switch, do u have a picture of where its located? I checked the fluid and its full...

And the air intake issue is that the little rubber thing in the airbox? Is that the sensor causing the problem?

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:46 am

viewtopic.php?t=23635&highlight=power+s ... ure+switch

as for the air temp sensor, its before the box on the intake tube, i'll snag a pic of it then for you.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:51 am

Thanx mate
I checked tonight and yes that's sensor its plugged in ...I opened the air box and the little rubber thing was attached ok....I'm thinking then its fauty maybe? Do they just go bad? Could there be another cause?

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:53 am

follow the wires back to the main harness to ensure they arent broken or shorting somewhere.

as for the intake air temp sensor being bad, its possible, although i'm not sure if its normal for it to go bad.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:01 am

Bloody hell the wire travels under the airbox I will need to take the whole airbox out to trace it

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:16 pm

it will only give a code if it is bad, or unplugged. It can hang loose in the air, and still be fine. They are about $8 here.

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:59 pm

Don't tell the wife Alex!!!

She will have you trading 'er immediately!!!

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:00 pm

Paul56 wrote:Don't tell the wife Alex!!!

She will have you trading 'er immediately!!!

NO SHIT

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:19 pm

occasional demons wrote:it will only give a code if it is bad, or unplugged. It can hang loose in the air, and still be fine. They are about $8 here.

8 bucks huh...well guess what Chrysler here want $375 dollars for the sensor...they called it the MAP sensor so I'm hoping its the same thing!

And the Power steering sensor is 90 dollars...work that out!

I'm buying from the states man!

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:56 pm

No, the map is what is in the IM at the end near the PS pump. What you want is the IAT sensor...

PS switch here is about $36 MSRP.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:22 pm

is is actually ok to drive the car until the next service with these codes?

OB · Post by OB » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:51 pm

^Absolutely, neither will effect the way it runs very much.

A bad PS switch/circuit can cause the engine to die when turning the wheel to the locks at low speeds (parking, for example). It might not even act differently at all, depending on what failed inside it. Try testing it out, you won't hurt anything.

The IAT will have almost no noticeable effect on performance, even if it was missing altogether. It senses intake air temperature as part of the calculations for fuel. The MAP sensor is completely different and does not need to be replaced or looked at based on those codes.

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:26 am

Is your battery light on also?

On cars with no battery blanket sensor, the AIT sensor acts as both air intake temp, and ambient temp. When mine was unplugged, I got a battery light. The alternator will still charge, but at a fixed 13 volts, or something close to that.

P1193 is temp circuit low voltage. Not sure what the correlation is to actual sensed temperature, if it is low temp, your alternator may be putting out too high of a voltage for the ambient temps. Too high, it may be lower, or it has defaulted to the 13 volts.

If you have a voltmeter, I would check to see where it is. 14.5 volts won't really hurt much, unless the temps there get very hot. If the battery is good, it shouldn't go much over 15ish volts anyways. You would know if it was going higher. Your headlights would have excellent output.

Normal output ranges from a little over 13.5 to 14ish volts.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:51 am

Hey Bill mate
No battery light infact no issue driving at all car behaves perfectly?
I'm ordering new sensors from the states hopefully that's it just faulty sensors

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:38 am

You could try unplugging it, to check for possible corrosion. If you start it with it unplugged, you should get a battery light.

Being as they are relatively "cheap" it isn't a bad diagnostic start. Better than a $50 (US) sensor for "parts changing" diagnostics.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:42 pm

Hey Bill
Yes mate I disconnected the IAT and the battery light came on...so I gather this is a normal occurrence? I actually have a battery blanket on....always have...But once I plugged it back in it was ok...no battery light...

And for the power steering : I tried doing a slow parallel park thingy to see if the car stalls...nope...I really tried to make it stall but it did everything like normal?

OB · Post by OB » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:56 pm

Just because it didn't stall during your test, doesn't mean the sensor or circuit isn't having an issue. That is just a common symptom of a failing PS pressure switch.

I believe all cars came with the blanket. The difference is, some of the blankets had sensors built into them, while some (like mine) did not. I tossed mine when I moved the battery to the trunk, since heat was no longer a relevant issue. I thought the blanket temp sensor was replaced by the ambient air temp sensor (no relation to the intake air temp sensor). Hmmm.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:49 pm

hey all

question if P1193 is my air intake temp sensor...question ...whats the little rubber sensor thing in the airbox and would that be a separate code?

OB · Post by OB » Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:09 pm

-The IAT (intake air temp) sensor is in the airbox. It's reading it used by the PCM as part of engine management calculations. (This is the one related to your code)

-The ATS (ambient temp) is on the lower radiator support (NGC) and is used to monitor outside temperature to be displayed to the driver on vehicles equipped with the compass/temp rearview mirrors.

-On cars that DO NOT have the BTS (battery temp sensor), the ATS is also used by the PCM, along with preset algorithms, to determine correct battery charging voltage.

*I'm gonna toss this info in FAQ for future reference.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:09 pm

Thanx mate I appreciate the explanation..does it mean though that thje code for the IAT could be related to the sensor in the airbox as well?
I was going to replace the IAT but should I also replace the one in the airbox too?

OB · Post by OB » Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:16 pm

The one in the airbox IS the IAT. The code simply set because the PCM received a signal from the sensor return circuit that is outside it's programmed range. The sensor itself could be bad (likely), or the wiring going to and from the sensor could be bad (less likely). There is no way of knowing without further diagnosis.

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:05 am

hey guys from these P codes
I have some part numbers ...can someone confirm these are the correct parts

Air temp 5149264AB
P/S switch 5269625

g_force58 · Post by **g_force58** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:19 pm

Hi Alex,
I just changed the power steering pressure switch on my 2000 ES. I had the P0551 code like you. The switch change is straight forward and easy to do. When you change the switch I would suggest you change the power steering fluid as well. Good Luck with it.

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:34 pm

5293138AA Would be the correct AIT sensor PN.
Electrical - Powertrain control - Air intake temp sensor Air intake temp sensor, neon 2001 - 2005

The one you listed is for a Caliber/Compass:
5149264AB
Hvac - Air conditioner - Switches & sensors - Ambient temp sensor Ambient temp sensor, compass 2011
$8.30 $0.00 $5.99

If the electrical connector is the same, it may or may not work, depending on the values it puts out for the ambient temps. Pricing is pretty much the same...

Edit: This is not the correct sensor for an SRT-4

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:13 pm

So 5293138AA is now correct for IAT
And power steering is 5269625

Alex Kurdian · Post by **Alex Kurdian** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:33 pm

Well i just wanted to thank Frank: racer12306 for being so very kind enuf to buy my replacement parts for me in the US, as the parts here would hve cost over 200 dollars

thanx Fank

i have now replaced both sensors and the codes have gone...The power steering sensor was leaking bad the connectors were soaked in oil...

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:42 pm

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