At A Loss :( Plz Help

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:06 pm

My car was running fine, I stopped to grab a drink at wawa and it wouldnt restart. No crank, not even a starter click. I originally thought it was the starter relay, swapped it out and still nothing. My dash lights were all coming on at first, after about 20 key turns, they stopped working but i still have power to my ac, headlights, ect. . . .Suggestions?

-update, I just pulled apart the steering column and removed the plug that goes to the turn signal portion of the MFS and realized that the plug is slightly melted. could this cause my ignition problem?

-I need to get this thing up and running before carlisle!

OB · Post by OB » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:32 pm

Dead battery

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:20 pm

All other accessories havr full power still

OB · Post by OB » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:22 pm

The accessories don't draw several hundred amps like the starter does. Try jumpstarting it. If it works, it was the battery. If not, report back.

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:13 am

I tried jumping it, no luck. My radio, idiot lights, rear view mirror lights etc wont work at all. It acts like the key isnt turned to the "on" position when it is. But for some reason, the power windows work when its turned to "on"

I do have a chime when the key is inserted into the ignition, just nothing past that. . .My car is stranded at a fuckin gas station 30 miles from my house. :'(

The only thing I can think of is the ignition switch on the steering column. But I'm not sure if I have to get one from the dealer or what. Idk if the SKIM is in the ign. switch or somewhere else.

Mat00ES · Post by **Mat00ES** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:57 am

Check your terminals, mine has done that. or check your fuses.

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:05 am

The fuel pump doesnt even seem to be priming. I doubt its a battery related issue. Ill be checking my fuses when I get back to my car tomorrow.

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:09 am

My car was running fine, I stopped to grab a drink at wawa and it wouldnt restart. No crank, not even a starter click. I originally thought it was the starter relay, swapped it out and still nothing. My dash lights were all coming on at first, after about 20 key turns my dash lights radio,rear view mirror lights ect stopped working but i still have power to my ac, windows and headlights,. . . .Suggestions?

This does not seem like a battery issue, my fuel pump isnt priming and I dont even hear a click from the starter relay

boostalot717 · Post by **boostalot717** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:18 am

Sounds like a wiring/grounding problem. Check the ASD relay as it controls alot of things. A simple voltmeter and quick troubleshooting should reveal the gremlin.

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:27 am

ASD relay? If those are the ones under the hood, Ive already swapped them around with no luck

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:19 pm

Update, i took an ohmmeter to the fuses. Fuse 7 (inside) is blown (B/U LP SW....EBL....O/HEAD CONSOLE). when replaced, still nothing works...

Also fuse 4 (SIREN...IOD....INT LPS) is reading 0.023 while all the others are reading 0.00.....any ideas?

OB · Post by OB » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:41 pm

The SKIM module is unrelated to the ignition switch. You can swap a new one in and as long as the key is cut to it, it will work fine. The SKIM module only comes into play when during cranking, so it is possible that either your key or the module may have an issue. I've heard of keys randomly losing SKIM communication for no apparent reason, though it's very unlikely. Are you getting an odometer display (i.e. can you pull codes)?

It sounds like either a bad ground/connection, a bad ign switch, or possibly a computer related issue.

The circuits you refer to have nothing to do with starting and running the engine.

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:58 am

update

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:10 pm

The melted plug for your MFS is normal (sad but true). It won't cuase the problems you are describing though.

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:04 pm

Go mopar! Lol...and dammit. I thought I might have been onto something

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:26 pm

Also, is there any way to test if my pcm is fried?

Update- there is no communication to my OBD port

c987long · Post by **c987long** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:28 pm

sounds like mine, my ecu fried then after i replaced that i threw a bearing, now its been sitting in my driveway for 6 months and i still cant find a motor

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:38 pm

If I put a junkyard PCM in it, will it at least give me dash lights and crank if thats the issue?

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:39 pm

sounds dumb, but check your battery terminals... have you had the battery out recently? Dans car wouldn't start one day but had accessories. Turns out he left the battery cable loose and it wasn't making a good connection.

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:05 pm

Checked it already

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:20 pm

Pull the battery, take to your local parts store... have it checked.

They will tell you if it's good or needs a charge... or needs replaced.

Check the real simple stuff first.

Just cause it won't start with jumper cables doesn't mean it's still not the battery.

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:29 pm

I have full power to my headlights, flashers, dome light and power windows. I have NO idiot lights, turn signals ect which all use about the same amount of power. If i have enough power for hazard lights, I would have enough power for turn signals and idiot lights. I wish it was as simple as a bad battery, but that doesnt seem to be the case

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:36 pm

The turn signal problem would be related to the MFS, or the connector.

Check the wiring around that area too. It is possible it melted into other wires, causing the other problems.

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:09 am

Its not melted that badly, just singed

Lantern04rt · Post by **Lantern04rt** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:23 am

hmm does your car have an alarm system like an aftermarket?

OB · Post by OB » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:13 am

It very well may be the PCM. It's tough to condemn one though, and you don't have the means to test it correctly. In theory, even with SKIM conflict issues, any PCM should allow the motor to crank. I believe the SKIM just cuts fuel, not power to the starter relay, but I can't say for sure. If this is indeed the case, maybe you can borrow a test PCM from a friends car? Has to be NGC of course.

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:59 am

To borrow a test PCM, it would need flashed to his VIN/SKIM.

The red/white wire in the Data Link Connector is powered through the ASD relay contacts. Fuse 21 in the PDC.

If the fuse is good, pull the cover on the ASD relay, and manually close the contacts. You should get the data link back.

The SKIM, if it is involved, will still keep the PCM from grounding the coils, injectors, and starter relay coil. You can do the same with all the relays in the PDC, but if testing the starter relay, be sure it is out of gear!

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:22 am

occasional demons wrote:To borrow a test PCM, it would need flashed to his VIN/SKIM.

The red/white wire in the Data Link Connector is powered through the ASD relay contacts. Fuse 21 in the PDC.

If the fuse is good, pull the cover on the ASD relay, and manually close the contacts. You should get the data link back.

The SKIM, if it is involved, will still keep the PCM from grounding the coils, injectors, and starter relay coil. You can do the same with all the relays in the PDC, but if testing the starter relay, be sure it is out of gear!

which relay are u saying i need to manually close to get data link back. If I do it to the fuel pump or horn, it works but i tried it with "auto shut down (didnt get link back) and the starter (didnt crank)"

OhNoA2.0 · Post by **OhNoA2.0** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:40 am

BIG UPDATE: All dash lights are back! Fuel pump primes...everything except for crank. When i turn the key, the starter relay makes contact but no crank, no nothing. Is it possible that my starter just shit out. Last time I had starter issues, it would spin but not engage the flywheel. Lmk ur thoughts

gtxtreme19 · Post by **gtxtreme19** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:28 am

Have the starter tested at an auto parts store...

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