Where are you expectations?

LilSparkPlug · Post by **LilSparkPlug** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:39 pm

JeffM wrote: Did that paint a good picture for you? (see what I did there?)

Kelevra · Post by **Kelevra** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:41 pm

LilSparkPlug wrote:
JeffM wrote: Did that paint a good picture for you? (see what I did there?)

EDIT: I see what you did there LSP!

theColonel · Post by **theColonel** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:48 pm

Everyone else is looking for a new "Neon SRT-4" ... I'd like to see something as good as the Neon SXT or the old Dodge Colts ...
right now my preference would be Ford Focus as a good small car

iThane · Post by **iThane** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:46 pm

The caliber was priced just around $20,000, so why can't they just
make a smaller car with possibly the same engine, one like it, or better?
I'm not asking for a $5,000 lotus exige.. And okay let's say college
students can't exactly afford a $20,000 car, but those who just need a
beater to commute in would probably want/need a $20,000 that fits
that discription. It would be nice to have another neon type car, just
something with a decent sized engine that's comvienient and works
in every day living. I didnt realize I was asking the company to bend
over backwards to make a beater..

bstc00 · Post by **bstc00** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:15 pm

Strate from Allpar (http://www.allpar.com/cars/chrysler/2013/)

Next up is Dodge’s C-segment 4 door sedan, taking over from the Caliber, and filling the gap vacated by the Neon, this has to hit hard against Civic, Corolla, Cruze, Golf, etc. Derived from the C-EVO platform, along with the Fiat Bravo, Alfa Milano, and others, the Hornet, regardless of name, will be built at Belvidere, and will debut in Detroit in January 2012 (possibly in New York in April 2012). Mopar once had a huge share of this segment but mis-steps even before DBAG slashed their sales and credibility to the point where most people have forgotten.

iThane · Post by **iThane** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:47 pm

They're really going through with the hornet?? The concept car I saw
being displayed at a car show made me gag...

a23dranger · Post by **a23dranger** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:33 pm

The Dodge Hornet is like a freaking kia soul. not what id really would wanna buy.

Shit for me it doesn't even have to be srt-4 fast. In my eyes heres how you get a fun to drive, cheaper car for under 20k that well wouldnt be say srt fast but still have that fun to drive factor and make me wanna buy it.

Make a car light as the 1gn and or even around the 2gn weight. run a 173hp based 2.4 caliber r/t world motor in it with maybe some factory engine work done to it like the 2gn r/t-acrs had. i.e better flowing head, hotter cams, header, Remapped ecu, ect so its around 200hp-230hp Mate it to some thing like the caliber srt 6 spd(mpg) Have bigger sways on it (like acr spec) and a tuned sporty suspension and quick ratio steering and 4 wheels disc brakes.

I know thats sorta asking alot for performance but at the same time its stuff they have already available at their disposal in cars being made now. Or would require less r&d. Package it together right and that would be a great handling, stopping and quick little car. And on top of it you obviously would have a base version with less power, ect for normal people Or even maybe an over 20 k setup with the Csrt-4 turbo motor but with around the same setup above.

As for styling 4 doors is a must these days for the average person. kids, friends, general space. If they do a wagon/hatch set up it needs to be like a speed3, new focus st, new subys.(ie not super boxy) Wheels size would really depend on the size of the vehicle but to me 17's are really the best choice for a daily so you can still have some rubber on the wheels and deal with roads in the us.

For the interior make it like a 2gn/srt in the feel wise department. To me the 2gn interior feels way less cheap then a caliber and the avengers. Give it a stereo option like the kicker/boston setups. (Once again out of cars they have now-costs)

They need to make it a size between the abarth 500 and the avenger. I had an avenger for a rental. i hated how you sat it in, couldnt see out of it that well, and the inside felt so cheap. more so then my 2gns or hell even my 1gn. The abarth is just to small for me.

They need something honestly around the lines of a newer civic si and coming focus st. They should have options of a standard car, r/t line and possibly srt. Right down to it, they need to go back to setups like the neon was.

iThane · Post by **iThane** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:33 pm

Yes!! Exactly!!! This is also what I intended this thread to be; a giant
thought bubble of what kind of car we would love to see with the dodge
emblems claiming the car! You layed that out very well.. Considering
they'll make different models with different features is obviously going
to set and effect the total cost. But what you just described was
practical and appealing. The Performance mods might be saved for the
sportier models and srt will make it a beast like every other car they
Toy with. The current line up doesn't appeal to me which really stinks
because I was always told that if something works, don't change it. I'm
satisfied with dodge, but not enough to go shop for a new vehicle from
them. And maybe most college students can't afford a $20,000 car, but
there still are those few who actually can, and it's not just the college
students who need a cheaper car.. My mom is a teacher which means
she doesn't "make it rain".. She wanted a nice new car priced around
20k but didn't have much luck with her search 2 years ago, and ended
up turning towards buying a used vehicle.. And then again, some
College students such as my mother herself actually can, even without
the help of mommy and daddy. She payed her own tuition while
attending UNLV, and not to gloat, but she was drove herself to school
In a porche 911.

It's really not like chrysler is going to see this post and design a car
off what we all think it should be.. It's just interesting to me to hear
what people think.

iThane · Post by **iThane** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:02 am

found more goodies while browsing today:

This is supposedly some spy shots of the new compact car from dodge..
it the pictures are legit, then this is possibly something to expect to show next
on the line up. if this is the same car that was said to be the next
installment, then this would be the 2012/2013 Dodge Hornet/Demon.
the name is still in debate.

Don't rely on my information though.. the rear badge of this car is
round.. which doesn't exactly match up to dodge..

Search the Dodge Demon, and you get this concept:

Search the Dodge Hornet, and you get this concept:

Again, its not like I work on the production line, so there's a very
high chance that this is all false information..

SC62391 · Post by **SC62391** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:43 am

Let's just hope their new "smaller displacement turbo car" isn't like the chevy cruze.

I just think it's sad that they went from the 260hp cobalt ss to the 138hp cruze eco.

iThane · Post by **iThane** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:24 am

now you've got me worried again... lol. i couldn't see dodge
making a move like that though.. i mean, they DID just release a
new commercial today about the durango and how Dodge hasen't
forgotten the whole "performance" section. they'd be hypocrites to
release an even weaker 4 cylinder engine. then again, we can all
just install CAI's and that will be enough added horsepower to
compete with the Italians, right?

found the youtube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcY4Di6O ... ideo_title

"Durango puts the "sport" back in SUV!"

hopefully they didn't spend too much time creating a sporty suv
and forget about this upcoming v4..

Post by **racer12306** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:00 am

There will never be a car that is the size of a 1GN or 2GN and weigh the same or less.

Government safety standards are too high and thus, cars will weigh more.

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:28 am

racer12306 wrote:There will never be a car that is the size of a 1GN or 2GN and weigh the same or less.

Government safety standards are too high and thus, cars will weigh more.

I've been trying to say this all along.

That's an Alfa, rebadged as a dodge. They're "compact" by today's standards, but they're nowhere near as small as a 1gn; nor as light. Think Caliber size.

The Demon concept is so old now. If it ever does come out, it'll look nothing like that picture with the influence of Fiat.

Don't even get me started on the Hornet. That's just flat-out ugly.

iThane wrote:and forget about this upcoming v4..

Who said anything about a V4??? lol

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:27 am

JeffM wrote:
iThane wrote:and forget about this upcoming v4..
Who said anything about a V4??? lol

A v4???

Damn, that would be funny to see

a23dranger · Post by **a23dranger** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:56 am

Why cant they be light and strong to withstand accidents and get the good fuel milage from being lighter.. So many vehicles today are using boran, and other light weight high strength strong metals. It is possible. But then again your into the whole cost thing which i understand. But to say it could never happen isnt true.

For the light weight and safety standard think about the smart for two. As much as i dont care for it. It does raise a good point here. They are light as hell and strong to. Along with being under 20k. So a car can be light and strong in a crash.

Honestly they need something civic sized and close in safety features.

UriahRR · Post by **UriahRR** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:03 am

I want my civic back

iThane · Post by **iThane** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:21 am

just gimme a new neon damn it

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:36 pm

a23dranger wrote:Why cant they be light and strong to withstand accidents and get the good fuel milage from being lighter.. So many vehicles today are using boran, and other light weight high strength strong metals. It is possible. But then again your into the whole cost thing which i understand. But to say it could never happen isnt true.

Oh, I agree. Take a look at Audi for instance. They're using lightweight composite materials on newer Audi's to not only bring down the tremendous weight, but to also allow for smaller engines and better center of gravity. However, as I've said before - it won't be cheap. Eventually, if the trend holds, the price will drop considerably. It just takes time.

And while I somewhat agree with the Smart car, it's a two-seater city car. And if you've ever seen one hit in the driver's front quarter, it's not pretty. Let's just say your face becomes a vital piece of reinforcement.

iThane · Post by **iThane** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:04 pm

right, its just something new that isn't manufactured like Cheerios. the
newer materials that aren't so commonly used are harder to get a hold
of, making them more expensive. but like most other products, after a
while in production, the price begins to lower. like cell phones or hand
held gaming electronics. when first released, they've got a hefty price
tag, but as they become more common they settle down the price.

the smart car is both a good and bad example.. for as small as it is, i'm
surprised it holds up in crashes as well as it does.. even though it doesn't
hold up well at all.

Post by **racer12306** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:55 pm

racer12306 wrote:There will never be a car that is the size and price of a 1GN or 2GN and weigh the same or less.

Government safety standards are too high and thus, cars will weigh more.

Fixed

SC62391 · Post by **SC62391** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:45 pm

Anyone want to go into business with me and make a car company? I was thinking all AWD and RWD cars with the SRT-4 being an exception....Anyone?

iThane · Post by **iThane** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:39 pm

Shane and Thane Co.

can we call one of the cars "Jherrod"? or something similar.. dunno why
but i've always liked that name

RawkBunny · Post by **RawkBunny** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:57 am

iThane wrote:
Search the Dodge Demon, and you get this concept:

Doesn't look like a demon to me.

THIS my friend, is a demon:

More reason to cherish our neons and keep them low mileage and in good shape...ain't nothing gonna be created that some of us will love more than our neons---for the price.

iThane · Post by **iThane** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:55 pm

RawkBunny wrote: More reason to cherish our neons and keep them low mileage and in good shape...ain't nothing gonna be created that some of us will love more than our neons---for the price.

i plan to copy cat nate's headlights

i <3 his whole car.

i agree though, the newer replacement might be a bit disappointing,
which gives us all the more reason to keep our neons fresh.

SC62391 · Post by **SC62391** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:09 pm

iThane wrote:Shane and Thane Co.

can we call one of the cars "Jherrod"? or something similar.. dunno why
but i've always liked that name

Haha i think this could work...But Jherrod? Really?!

I was feeling "Shane" more

2003NeonSXT · Post by **2003NeonSXT** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:35 pm

Lantern04rt wrote:Bring back the neon nuff said!

iThane · Post by **iThane** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:50 pm

if they brought back the neon, I'd be all over that... if only

and we can name the minivan shane. i call dibs on having the sports coupe
named after me though

SC62391 · Post by **SC62391** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:58 pm

Lol only performance cars in this company

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:13 pm

Uh oh. They're already arguing.

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:50 am

SC62391 wrote:Lol only performance cars in this company

good luck making any money at all. Car companies make money by appealing to the masses not the minority, unless you're charging a premium dollar or have a history or prestige associated with your name.

I don't think there will be a performance variant of a Dodge badged compact car for quite awhile. Chrysler/Fiat are trying to rebrand a company and get it to a point that it's viable and makes a profit. Getting back into the compact market is a step, making a performance variant of that compact car is an after thought.

How many college kids do you know that can afford a brand new $20K+ car with insurance and gas? I know, work with, and see college kids who can barely afford to buy a pizza, pay for books, and put gas in their beater and buying a brand new car is on their to do list for after college. Living on my own, I couldn't afford a $20K+ car until I was making over $20 an hour. I don't think there are many college kids that can put in the time, energy, and effort towards a job that will pay that much, thus if this was 2005, they wouldn't be able to afford a brand new SRT-4. When I was in College the only time I saw my peers with new cars is when their mommy and daddy bought it for them, most people bought an older higher mileage car that could get them from point a to point b without being a total inconvenience.

A car company that wanted to target the College kid market would build a reliable, high MPG, safe car that costs around $13k to $16k. Wait.. Corolla, Civic, Focus, Fiesta, Yaris. Chrysler would be smart to build something to compete with those cars.. if a Performance variant comes from it, then so be it.

iThane wrote:Don't rely on my information though.. the rear badge of this car is
round.. which doesn't exactly match up to dodge..

That's because the next Dodge compact is going to be a rebadged Alfa (Alfa Romeo Giulietta to be exact)... and the Alfa badge is.....round.

The name of the vehicle is just that, a name. Chrysler will probably recycle an older name for the new vehicle like Demon, Dart, Hornet, etc and thats why those spy shots are listed as such. If the Neon was called the "Goatfucker" y'all would be screaming to bring back the "goatfucker." Sean would be confused but my point is the same.. A Dodge compact would be welcomed no matter the name.

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Where are you expectations?

What would you prefer as the next SRT4?