Magnum Head

Public Disturbance · Post by **Public Disturbance** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:45 pm

Ok guys I have a 05 Dodge Neon I have been looking for a Magnum Head with no luck so I googled 03-05 dodge neon rt for sale and found a 03 wrote down the vin (1B3ES76F93D256723) called the local dodge dealer and the magnum head is still avaible from dodge but for the cost of $635 for a bare head is this a decent cost of too much if i take that head and have it ported and throw a crane 12 or 14 with crane retainers and springs and oversized valves in it i think that this would be a huge gain over stock but what do you guys think.

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:01 pm

Public Disturbance wrote:$635 for a bare head is this a decent cost?

no, but this is

http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/ma20cyhe.html

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:44 pm

I think that is one really long sentence

flhmfd · Post by **flhmfd** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:19 pm

r/tguy02 wrote:
Public Disturbance wrote:$635 for a bare head is this a decent cost?
no, but this is

http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/ma20cyhe.html

damn, I wish I knew this existed...

Public Disturbance · Post by **Public Disturbance** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:06 pm

r/tguy02 wrote:
Public Disturbance wrote:$635 for a bare head is this a decent cost?
no, but this is

http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/ma20cyhe.html

Is this place legit like has anyone ordered it from them before? Also i thought that the crane 14 was the biggest cam for the sohc but on their website they have a 16 18 and 20 does anyone know about these other cams

Danteneon wrote:I think that is one really long sentence

you should try reading it out loud lol

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:07 pm

Yes, very legit. Mancini has been selling Mopar parts and service for many many years.

Your premier source for Performance Parts & Aftermarket parts for DaimlerChrysler Cars & Trucks. We are the Original Mopar Performance Outlet established in 1972.

Of course, back then it was Direct Connection. These guys were second only to Mr. Norm's Grand Spaulding Dodge in the Mopar performance world.

Public Disturbance · Post by **Public Disturbance** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:11 pm

Danteneon wrote:Yes, very legit. Mancini has been selling Mopar parts and service for many many years.

Your premier source for Performance Parts & Aftermarket parts for DaimlerChrysler Cars & Trucks. We are the Original Mopar Performance Outlet established in 1972.

Nice thanks guys kinda new to the neon scene always been hondas also i read somewhere that the 03-05 neons have a different computer setup ngc or something that is why i thought you had to get the magnum head off a 03-05 rt or are the all the same plug and play bolt on so to speak

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:18 pm

Public Disturbance wrote:Also i thought that the crane 14 was the biggest cam for the sohc but on their website they have a 16 18 and 20 does anyone know about these other cams

http://www.cranecams.com/148-149.pdf

And as to your question about the Magnum head, all the head castings are the same from 01-04. The 2001 had a slightly more radical cam, whereas the 2002 had a more aggresive PCM and milder cam. The 2003-2004 were NGC controled cars, but the head and cam were the same as 2002.

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:37 pm

I got my bare casting from them for about $125 less. They were having a clearance sale at the time.

They are fairly prompt on shipping too.

I also got the rockers for pennies on the dollar when they were cleaning house. They were 1gn style rockers tho. But for the $ for brand new...

Post by **jonnymopar** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:42 pm

occasional demons wrote:They were 1gn style rockers tho.

What's the difference between the 1st gen rockers and the 2nd gen?

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:52 pm

I so wanted to snap up those rocker arm/lifters

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:50 pm

jonnymopar wrote:
occasional demons wrote:They were 1gn style rockers tho.
What's the difference between the 1st gen rockers and the 2nd gen?

from what i understand they changed the lifters slightly so they were quieter

ZeroChad · Post by **ZeroChad** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:06 pm

Public Disturbance wrote:
r/tguy02 wrote:
Public Disturbance wrote:$635 for a bare head is this a decent cost?
no, but this is

http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/ma20cyhe.html

Is this place legit like has anyone ordered it from them before? Also i thought that the crane 14 was the biggest cam for the sohc but on their website they have a 16 18 and 20 does anyone know about these other cams

Danteneon wrote:I think that is one really long sentence
you should try reading it out loud lol

12 is the largest you can do with no other mods. The 14 and up will need a controller to pull fuel at idle. 16 and up will require better springs like from Crane. 18 and up will require lash caps for the tops of the valves.

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:44 pm

jonnymopar wrote:
occasional demons wrote:They were 1gn style rockers tho.
What's the difference between the 1st gen rockers and the 2nd gen?

There is a support web across the exhaust rockers, on the valve side. Basically adds a little mass to the rocker, potentially causing valve float a bit earlier.

Dustin1gnNeon559 · Post by **Dustin1gnNeon559** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:06 pm

Just wondering if I can put my stock sohc head parts in the Mancini head minus the valve springs i will use the magnum springs. Will this work or will I need to buy all magnum parts. Tryin to get lil more flow on a budget. The bare Mancini is not much more then ppl want for salvaged magnum heads do. If what i want to do works it would be affordable.

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:54 pm

yup should all work fine, and save you some money. you'll still need to have the valves reground for the head though

Public Disturbance · Post by **Public Disturbance** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:17 pm

Mancini has discontinued this head called them a couple months ago and they said they no longer have it... which sucks

Post by **occasional demons** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:48 pm

They still have it listed on their site. I would hope they update it more than every couple of months.

ZeroChad · Post by **ZeroChad** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:53 pm

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=386314

Post by **occasional demons** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:58 pm

Or: viewtopic.php?t=58649

neonrt_98 · Post by **neonrt_98** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:02 pm

I put 1st gen valves in the Magnum head I ported for my daughters car. I also have a spare Magnum head forsale..

OhioHomesteader · Post by **OhioHomesteader** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:55 pm

I have a 2004 R/T intake for sale on eBay - and I have a 120xxx mile 2002 R/T head, complete with cam that will be coming up soon. Engine knocks a little!!! There will be a R/T exhaust manifold also in the next day or two.

Link removed by Danteneon

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:30 pm

Wow, first post and it's one trying to get around our for-sale guidelines. Nice.

OhioHomesteader · Post by **OhioHomesteader** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:53 pm

[quote="Danteneon"]Wow, first post and it's one trying to get around our for-sale guidelines. Nice.[/quote]

Not really trying to get around any "for sale "rules.

I have been lurking on theis site for quite some time and have had no reason to post any responses to anyone's questions, as they seem to, for the most part, get prompt, good answers by several people on this board.

I came looking for a Mopar Performance PCM for a 2nd gen - specifically for a 2000 2001 run of the mill Neon or one for a R/T - ACR. Saw this thread and figured that I would let him know that I had some parts that are / were going to be for sale soon.

Looked for a dedicated "Parts For Sale" section and could not find it - what am I missing? How about a Parts Wanted section??

Take a look at my post count on Neons.org. I think that you will find that I am not a fly by night member there. And not a post whore either...

BTW: On the eBay ad, I listed this site as one to reference for info on the 2nd gen Neons - along with a couple of other boards that I have respect for.

Sorry if I stepped on your rules,
Jim

a23dranger · Post by **a23dranger** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:33 pm

jim was there really an mopar cpm ever made for a 00-01 2gn? never saw or heard about one.

i have an 02 r/t ecu if your looking for one

OhioHomesteader · Post by **OhioHomesteader** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:12 pm

[quote="a23dranger"]jim was there really an mopar cpm ever made for a 00-01 2gn? never saw or heard about one.

i have an 02 r/t ecu if your looking for one[/quote]

I really do not know if there is such a thing or not.. I seem to remember having seen the listing and part # some time ago. May have been that I am confused with the stage versions for the SRT - but I really don't think so, simply because the SRT was not made in 00 / 02 model years. I remember thinking that there may not be a Mopar PCM built for the NGC N/A engine but at least there was one for the SBEC motor.

After searching in earnest for nearly a month now, I am starting to think that a 2nd gen SOHC Mopar part is nothing more than a figment of my imagination.. May just forget about hopping up my black 2000 car, let the kids have it, and sell all the extra Magnum parts I have to someone that will use them. Probably should stick with the 1st gens as far as hot rodding goes.

Then again, I may use the spare R/T engine and just use a stock PCM - any idea how much you would want for the one you have? Is it a "black key" piece or a grey key part???

Jim

a23dranger · Post by **a23dranger** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:24 pm

Well another thought would be since the 00 isn't much different then a 1gn. You could figure out a way to piggyback an 1gn mopar ecu with the 00 ecu.

My ecu is gray key. I think almost every 2gn rt ecu is a gray skim key. I do have the key and skim ring that goes with it. So you can plug it in. Tape the key to the ring and leave it under the dash. Stilll using your old keys and such..
On another note your 00 uses the 4 wire iac like a 1gn while my rt ecu uses the 3 wire setup. All 01 up neons went 3 wire iac.

OhioHomesteader · Post by **OhioHomesteader** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:48 pm

I have the R/T engine harness if that means anything. :rofl: I also have brand new [u]stock[/u] throttle bodies for both styles.

One thing that I thought about (ain't gonna happen, but) was using the R/T intake on a DOHC head in the 98 R/T - and seeing how well it did or didn't work. If it worked well, then I could do the 2000 as a N/A 2.4 DOHC "super" R/T "sleeper". Just something I thought about while stalled in traffic.. Seems I have all kinds of DOHC street race parts that don't have a home to cruise around in.. .

Be much easier to just drop a bone stock Magnum R/T motor in.. And cheaper.

a23dranger · Post by **a23dranger** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:54 pm

if you have the 01-02 r/t engine bay harness and t.b then your good to go sand use my ecu/key/skim ring in your 00.

As fore the magnum intake on a dohc there was a guy i remember who was doing a dohc swap in his 2gn on the org. he ported and redrilled the mag intake to fit. don't know if he ever finished the car or got results, act

cutsheal5 · Post by **cutsheal5** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:11 am

figured out what i had to say disregard.