Stratus R/T manual trans?

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Stratus R/T manual trans?

Post by jonnymopar » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:37 pm

Here's a crazy question: the Stratus (sedan) R/T was offered with the 2.7L V6 and a 5-speed.

What 5-speed was used?? T850? A588?
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Post by trojmn » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:56 am

They used the T850, also rare as hens teeth. IIRC the final drive is numerically higher than what is in the SRT.

Ive never heard of a A588 trans code. lol that reminds me of the old mopar codes. A904, A518, A999, etc.

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Post by a23dranger » Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:29 am

Yup t-850 was used. The bellhousing bolts are different then a 4cyl though. Final drive ratio is between 3.55 and 3.94. I wanna say its like 3.73
Jimbo in mi on neons.org has one in his v6 1gn and has the gear ratio specs.



Another thing is the 2.7 clutch is now the new clutch to use over the pt clutch
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Post by jonnymopar » Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:08 pm

Ah crap, I'm an idiot. I meant 288, not 588. The 288S was the Getrag 5-speed used in the PT Turbo. Personally, I consider it superior to the T850 in every way. I'm still not exactly sure why they didn't use the T850 in the PT. I think I threw the "A" in front because I'm much more used to the old transmission designations too. I believe Chrysler still uses that format for trans codes (The NVG-T350 is the "A578").

I'm asking this question because I found a black Stratus R/T sedan in my local junkyard that is 100% complete, wheels and everything. Don't know what's up with it. Could be blown engine, or title issues. It just showed up within the past week. If it's just a bad engine, it's a REALLY tempting flipper.
a23dranger wrote:Another thing is the 2.7 clutch is now the new clutch to use over the pt clutch
Really? If the SRT-4 clutch doesn't work without modification, how does the 2.7L clutch fit if they use the same trans? I mean, if it's a better option, then I'll jot that down on my 2.4L swap list.
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Post by sidepipe87 » Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:53 pm

Yup. My brother has a Sebring convertible that is a 5 speed with the T-850. Pretty rare car.

Snag the wheels off that R/T! Those are super rare!
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Post by trojmn » Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:28 pm

jonnymopar wrote:I'm asking this question because I found a black Stratus R/T sedan in my local junkyard that is 100% complete, wheels and everything. Don't know what's up with it. Could be blown engine, or title issues. It just showed up within the past week. If it's just a bad engine, it's a REALLY tempting flipper.
Do you homework before you put any money down on the project. Those 2.7L are screwy hit & miss reliability. They have a rep for oil sludging in the heads passages and killing valve train and then the cam chain. LOTS have the front time chain cover cut threw. Probably most related to poor maintenance.

I bought the wife a new 03 sebring LXi w\2.7 went to several dealerships and they couldn't locate an R/T sedan w\manual in the entire USA. For some reason I thought the neon SRT was "too small inside" for the car seat.... yeah stupid i know.

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Post by a23dranger » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:04 pm

jonnymopar wrote:
a23dranger wrote:Another thing is the 2.7 clutch is now the new clutch to use over the pt clutch
Really? If the SRT-4 clutch doesn't work without modification, how does the 2.7L clutch fit if they use the same trans? I mean, if it's a better option, then I'll jot that down on my 2.4L swap list.
On the first page towards the bottom it list it along with 2nd and 3rd of ppl who have it. Guys are using them in boosted 2.4's using t350 trans.

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=248579
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Post by occasional demons » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:21 pm

Sweet Info.

To save scrolling.... :roll:
gyrol wrote:Theres been some talk recently about the PT clucth no longer being available from MOPAR any more. If thats true thats too bad, it was an awesome clutch that out performed even more expensive clutches.

I would like to present the following clutch that I have been researching over the past months.

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It looks like the non-self-adjusting PT clutch, but its not. Its SACHS modular clutch for a 2003 2.7 Stratus RT.
Heres what I have on it so far:

Flywheel OD = 10.555in
Flywheel Thickness = .815in
Disc OD = 9.0625in
Disc Thickness = .305in
Weight = 21.9lbs
Overall thickness, from "feet" to cover = 2.445in
Est. minimum torque holding = 200ft/lbs
Aproximate Price = $250

LUK Part # 05-119
SACHS Part # K7029601
RHINOPAC Part # 05119 - rebaged LUK
EXEDY Part # KDG04
BRUTE POWER Part # 92638
Beck/Arnley Part # 061-6264 - Discontinued as of Feb 28, 2011 - rebadged SACHS


Thanks Jeff for reminding me about the throwout bearing. For everyone else also wondering what throw out bearing to use with a this 2.7 clutch, it uses the same throw out bearing as an SRT4. Which fits the T350 fork.

Mopar P\N: 4641947AA
Sachs P\N: SB60071
SKF P\N: N4173

If you happen to buy a clutch kit for a 2002 - 04 2.7 Stratus or Sebring that comes with a throuwout bearing, thats the one you want to use. Its the same as above.

Any other measurements? Let me know. Im still trying to get a broken input shaft to use in a jig that will let me find out what the real holding capcity of this clutch is.

Edits on 4/4/2011: Part Numbers, price, spelling and grammar. Also added info on throwout bearing from another post.
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Post by jonnymopar » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:58 pm

Damn that is cool. I know what my next clutch will be, regardless if I'm bolting it to my 2.0L or a 2.4L.
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Post by a23dranger » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:16 pm

jonnymopar wrote:Damn that is cool. I know what my next clutch will be, regardless if I'm bolting it to my 2.0L or a 2.4L.
Same here. i was going to use my pt clutch i got with my pt 3.94 but im gunna give that to my brother for his mag/3.94 swap and im gunna order the 2.7 clutch for my all motor setup.
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trans swap in 00 neon

Post by sicc00neon » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:17 pm

I want to swap the auto out of my 00 neon what trans should I use for this

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Post by Guard1an » Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:21 am

just use the NV-t350 and be happy :)

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Post by occasional demons » Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:30 pm

Guard1an wrote:just use the 1gn NV-t350 and be happy



Fixed. Maybe...

Search for MTX in a '00 ATX. There are a few specific items to the '00 model year. Component wise, it is prolly the most difficult if you a want to go with an '01 and up t350. The pedals from an '00 are the only ones that work, if you want to stay with the '95 to '00 t350.
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Post by a23dranger » Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:07 pm

occasional demons wrote:
Guard1an wrote:just use the 1gn NV-t350 and be happy



Fixed. Maybe...

Search for MTX in a '00 ATX. There are a few specific items to the '00 model year. Component wise, it is prolly the most difficult if you a want to go with an '01 and up t350. The pedals from an '00 are the only ones that work, if you want to stay with the '95 to '00 t350.

its what i told him. hes looking at buying my 00 5spd swap.
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Post by occasional demons » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:36 pm

That's the better option, if someone already has everything ready and available. :thumbup:
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Post by gtownv6 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:46 am

anyone know how much it will hold? anyone making 350+ whp on one?

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Post by srtjesse » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:13 am

Do did anyone find out what the holding capacity is for this clutch
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Post by chipdogg » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:08 am

trojmn wrote:They used the T850, also rare as hens teeth. IIRC the final drive is numerically higher than what is in the SRT.

Ive never heard of a A588 trans code. lol that reminds me of the old mopar codes. A904, A518, A999, etc.

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Post by Donkeypuncher » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:48 am

srtjesse wrote:Do did anyone find out what the holding capacity is for this clutch
I'm wondering the same thing. The 2.7 has 200hp so I'm guessing 230 or so, but I have nothing to base that on.

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Post by srtjesse » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:07 pm

A guy posted on the org that he was pushing 17lbs on a stock srt turbo with this clutch and no issues but i would like some actual numbers not i was running 3 billion pounds and it held up you know
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Post by stairmaster3001 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:14 pm

lemme guess no one has issues with the sebring t850 and the r/t t850 trans cause no one really slams gears in a sebring ha or stratus
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Post by chipdogg » Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:17 pm

That was a rare combo anyways.
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Post by srtjesse » Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:20 pm

Well the first gen guys said it holds over 230 tq but no actual numbers yet but this is starting to look like a really good option
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Post by moparneon00 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:57 pm

i have that same pt modular clutch for my swap but im gonna use a stage 3 instead of stock

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Post by cook2790 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:00 pm

okay i dont know much about transmissions, like all the differences between self adjusting and the latter...

but since I have a 2000, which is what I believe self-adjusting (correct me if im wrong) cable'd clutch, can i get that 2.7 r/t stratus clutch to slide right in like the hydraulic systems? they can all use the same clutch right?
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Post by Danteneon » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:08 pm

Yes, you can use the same clutch.
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