Abarth coming soon!

SC62391 · Post by **SC62391** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:50 pm

It comes out Nov 15th, what do you guys think about the Abarth?

http://www.fiatusa.com/abarth/#

I saw this video and it actually sounds like a srt with this exhaust. I like the sound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UveUYohxtCk

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:28 pm

O_O

It sounds like a baby srt4

SC62391 · Post by **SC62391** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:43 pm

Kinda reminds me of a srt with the round lights and this bumper showing the bfmic

LilSparkPlug · Post by **LilSparkPlug** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:00 pm

I love them...they're adorable

theColonel · Post by **theColonel** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:07 pm

If these specs are correct, it will have a similar weight to power ratio of the NSRT4 @ 230 hp and weight of 2,980 pounds

http://www.modernperformance.com/blog/f ... lbs-woohoo

ragek23 · Post by **ragek23** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:02 pm

i would love one. a great DD

ZeroChad · Post by **ZeroChad** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:52 am

Oh hell ya.....they gave it the 160hp engine instead of the 130.

We might be getting one of these to replace my fiances focus next year. What we're looking at:

500 Abarth
Fiesta ST
Mini S
Sonic Z-spec

SC62391 · Post by **SC62391** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:34 am

ZeroChad wrote:What we're looking at:

500 Abarth
Fiesta ST
Mini S
Sonic Z-spec

Some stiff competition it has there. I hope some test driving is in order. That would be fun

Edit: Did you mean Focus ST?

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:25 am

Again, this makes me sad that the Fiat is built at Toluca. I would definitely consider one of these if it were made at Belvidere.

NEON PARABOLA · Post by **NEON PARABOLA** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:50 am

Again, this makes me sad that the Fiat is built at Toluca. I would definitely consider one of these if it were made at Belvidere.

that is a detracting factor

smallblockfreak · Post by **smallblockfreak** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:10 am

If it's built in Toluca that means it's better.

haseebgill12 · Post by **haseebgill12** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:38 am

Wait, you guys are getting them just now? I wonder why the prolonged US release. :S Anyway I see them "fly" by everyday, love them. For me, if I was to get a small car it would either be a 500 Abarth or a Seat Ibiza Cupra, don't know if you guys get these in the states so here's a pic, just incase.

theColonel · Post by **theColonel** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:12 am

haseebgill12 wrote:Wait, you guys are getting them just now? I wonder why the prolonged US release. :S Anyway I see them "fly" by everyday, love them. For me, if I was to get a small car
it would either be a 500 Abarth or a Seat Ibiza Cupra, don't know if you guys get these in the states so here's a pic, just in case.

there are a lot of great cars that aren't available here

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:44 pm

smallblockfreak wrote:If it's built in Toluca that means it's better.

Really? How so? Certainly not better for the US economy and American workers.[/off-topic]

NEON PARABOLA · Post by **NEON PARABOLA** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:51 pm

theColonel · Post by **theColonel** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:15 pm

Midnight_Rider wrote:
smallblockfreak wrote:If it's built in Toluca that means it's better.
Really? How so? Certainly not better for the US economy and American workers.[/off-topic]

also, you notice the "high buck cars" aren't built in Toluca

SC62391 · Post by **SC62391** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:24 pm

theColonel wrote:
there are a lot of great cars that aren't available here

But seeing the fiat's here and that alfa romeo's are making there way to Detroit gives me some hope that they will keep coming over

smallblockfreak · Post by **smallblockfreak** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:51 pm

Well if you didn't know I'm a huge turbo mopar fan and the spirit r/ts and others were made at that plant. Yeah sure their "high buck" cars aren't built there but "the R/T was advertised as "the fastest sedan made in America", and one of the quickest performance sedans under $40,000, with Chrysler placing its performance above the BMW M5." I guess thats not a big deal though.

Sorry I want quality.

94 mexico

93 Trenton

94 Mexico close up showing extra cooling passages.

93 Trenton with cross drill holes and nothing else.

another picture of 93 Trenton. its got 1 single extra cooling hole in the center and nothing else.

And the last pictures of the outside. Mexico block shows a much higher degree of surface finishing and overall casting quality. Theres very little 'garbage' stuck on the surface of the block.

All that roughness that looks like grease/oil/dirt is actually cast iron splatter and is all over the surface of the block. most removes with a chisel & hammer in large flat chunks.

another view of the trenton block and surface showing extra metal splatter.

Moving onto the bottom/inside of the block.

94 Mexico shows an overall smoother casting and better finish quality.

93 Trenton. lots of casting flash and mismatching on where the halves of the mold didnt quite lineup...

close up of casting. 94 Mexico

93 Trenton

Now the good part.

94 Mexico. Quite a bit of extra metal in that bulkhead

93 Trenton. Same spot.

Same bulkhead (#2) 94 Mexico

93 Trenton

Now some would say the extra metal in the Mexico block is due to it being a balance shaft equipped engine from the factory. But if you look closely there is enough metal on the trenton block to drill & tap for the extra BS assembly bolts. Just nowhere near as much. For someone looking to add the 4 bolt main caps that could make quite a difference in the overall strength and effectiveness of having the extra boltdowns for the center 3 main bearings.

Final comparison. 94 mexico block, The thickness of the 'shelf' where the bearing sits is nothing less than 10mm thick.

93 Trenton block. bearing support shelf is considerably thinner on every bearing bulkhead.

Too much info?

theColonel · Post by **theColonel** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:08 pm

^^^ that was an interesting bit of history

My point was that the current Dodge Chargers and Chrysler 300's aren't being manufactured in Mexico

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:13 pm

That's all fine and dandy but you're comparing something that was made in Mexico in the early 90s to something that is made today.

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:20 am

theColonel wrote:My point was that the current Dodge Chargers and Chrysler 300's aren't being manufactured in Mexico

Yeah, they're made in Canada- oops.

r/tguy02 wrote:That's all fine and dandy but you're comparing something that was made in Mexico in the early 90s to something that is made today.

The differences that were pointed out were decisions made by Chrysler or DCX at that time. Where the parts were manufactured had nothing to do with the quality of those parts- it was a decision made by the company(ies) as to where they were manufactured.

ragek23 · Post by **ragek23** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:19 pm

SC62391 wrote:
ZeroChad wrote:What we're looking at:

500 Abarth
Fiesta ST
Mini S
Sonic Z-spec
Some stiff competition it has there. I hope some test driving is in order. That would be fun

Edit: Did you mean Focus ST?

The focus ST looks pretty sick. Id love to test drive it myself. The Mini cooper Coupe S also looks really sick. same power to weight ratio as the SRT4. 2700lbs 208ft-lbs tq & 33mpg

neonpla · Post by **neonpla** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:32 pm

I'd like one as a DD but my next car will be a upgrade not a lateral transfer

theColonel · Post by **theColonel** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:28 am

neonpla wrote:I'd like one as a DD but my next car will be a upgrade not a lateral transfer

Some of us will just be "in the market" for replacements soon ... my SRT-4 has 140,000 miles on it

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:04 am

^^Yes... but, since you are in the South (i.e. no road salt) and you have taken care of your car, it is a long time from needing to be replaced.

03sxt · Post by **03sxt** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:46 am

I'm sorry, but....