t-850 swap

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:03 pm

i know its probably been asked before, but how hard would it be to do a t-850 swap on my 2.0l? As far as i know, the only thing i would have trouble with is the half shaft.

any help is appreciated.

chipdogg · Post by **chipdogg** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:25 pm

You'll need SRT starter, clutch, and flexplate for sure. Halfshaft won't bolt to block. Probably need SRT shifter cables.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:27 pm

chipdogg wrote:You'll need SRT starter, clutch, and flexplate for sure. Halfshaft won't bolt to block. Probably need SRT shifter cables.

alright, well thats a step in the right direction. Now i just need to figure out if anybody has done it before.

Does anybody have a good picture of the halfshaft and how/where it mounts?

chipdogg · Post by **chipdogg** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:24 pm

Hang on, I'll run out to garage and snap a pic.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:28 pm

chipdogg wrote:Hang on, I'll run out to garage and snap a pic.

ok, thanks alot man.

chipdogg · Post by **chipdogg** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:38 pm

You'll also need to fabricate a plate to go between trans and engine block. The sheet metal one that goes on before the driveplate. The 2.0 one is for wrong trans, and the SRT one won't properly bolt to your block. At least I don't think it will as it's a different block.

Here's pics:

Looks like you could fabricate a bracket to bolt to backside of block, just gotta make sure it's straight.

Motor mount is different too obviously.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:43 pm

WOW, i was not expecting such detailed pics and so many. With me, my dad, and his buddy, im 100% sure we can fab up some sort of mount to make that work.

thank you so so so so much for the pics man. I really appreciate it !

chipdogg · Post by **chipdogg** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:47 pm

It's easy when you have it sitting on the floor. Took it out of wrecked '04 SRT like 2 months ago. 43,619 miles on it.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:52 pm

chipdogg wrote:It's easy when you have it sitting on the floor. Took it out of wrecked '04 SRT like 2 months ago. 43,619 miles on it.

sweet man! If im not mistaken, your putting that into a 1gn?

chipdogg · Post by **chipdogg** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:56 pm

Yeah a clean 98 Intense blue R/T coupe. Once I finish up this 99 Intense blue R/T coupe this weekend and sell it I'll push that one into garage and start working on getting the SRT-4 dash to fit in there. Winter project.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:08 pm

chipdogg wrote:Yeah a clean 98 Intense blue R/T coupe. Once I finish up this 99 Intense blue R/T coupe this weekend and sell it I'll push that one into garage and start working on getting the SRT-4 dash to fit in there. Winter project.

sweet. yeah i thought i remembered seeing it on neons.org

I guess the only way im going to figure out if this works, is if i pick up an srt trans and try it.

Do you happen to know if the spline on the hubs is the same?

chipdogg · Post by **chipdogg** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:08 pm

Yeah that's the same.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:17 pm

chipdogg wrote:Yeah that's the same.

ok, one less thing ill have to worry about. thanks man!

EDIT:
A question i have is, is there axles that would work that arnt equal length? For instance, i know its rare, but i know some of the stratus r/t 's came with a t-850... I wonder if they used an equal length setup.. Or maybe one of the dsm's, stratus's, pt cruisers, etc.. have axles that will work ?

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:24 pm

Ok, just found out that the regular neon, and the srt use the same spline inner and outer, now if somebody can help me by telling me measurments of both the srt axles and the regular stock sxt axles, i may have found something interesting out..

Donkeypuncher · Post by **Donkeypuncher** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:03 am

The passenger side axle measures 38 3/4 inches, can't find my old drivers side axle though.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:29 am

Donkeypuncher wrote:The passenger side axle measures 38 3/4 inches, can't find my old drivers side axle though.

and thats the sxt axle?

chipdogg · Post by **chipdogg** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:41 am

Comparing axle lengths won't matter. The transmission is different so you'll have to use the SRT axles. I think inner spline count is different anyways. Passenger Neon axle obviously can't be used as it's 2x longer and doesn't have the right end for the equal length section.

I assumed you know you needed SRT axles.

It'll all fit, SRT's are same unibody anyways.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:44 am

chipdogg wrote:Comparing axle lengths won't matter. The transmission is different so you'll have to use the SRT axles. I think inner spline count is different anyways. Passenger Neon axle obviously can't be used as it's 2x longer and doesn't have the right end for the equal length section.

I assumed you know you needed SRT axles.

It'll all fit, SRT's are same unibody anyways.

no, i realize all that man. What im getting at, is i looked up both the Sxt, and the srt and according to online they both have a 32 spline inner, and the outer we know is the same.. What im getting at, is maybe i could run dss stage 5's or somehting similar from the sxt, and just eliminate the half shaft all together. I know it wouldnt be ideal, but it would probably work if the axles were the right length.

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:35 am

If you go tthrought the trouble/cost of DSS axles i feel like you could special order some to the right lenth no?

Post by **occasional demons** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:52 am

This. I'm sure they can make them w/e length you want. It may be a little more/longer wait, if they actually stock axles, instead of making them to order. If they build them as they get orders, it shouldn't matter too much.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:02 am

Talked to Dcr and he said he used to make the bracket to do such a thing... He says hell make me one.

r/tguy02 · Post by **r/tguy02** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:49 am

...yep and charge you 500$ for it

chipdogg · Post by **chipdogg** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:22 pm

r/tguy02 wrote:...yep and charge you 500$ for it

Damn, beat me to it!

At that price it may be cheaper to just go 2.4.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:27 pm

2.4 sohc??

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:38 pm

check his prices... if it's too high talk to DSS. Could probably have axles for a similar price. Only 1 needs to be custom made.

Just hope you never break one otherwise you're paying to get a custom made axle built every time.

Donkeypuncher · Post by **Donkeypuncher** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:59 pm

XxWhiteNeonxX wrote: and thats the sxt axle?

Yup, passenger side for the T-350.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:19 pm

i have a feeling that darrell is going to want more for the bracket, than i can buy a whole god damned srt swap for..

Looks like my only options are going to be making my own mount, or get dss axles.

Public Disturbance · Post by **Public Disturbance** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:02 pm

INVUJerry wrote:2.4 sohc??

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:12 pm

Public Disturbance wrote:
INVUJerry wrote:2.4 sohc??

thats really just a waste of my time. With that timing belt being so skinny, i dont think it will hold up to 400+hp.. Plus id have to have the block modifed and such.. In my eyes, not really worth it right now. Id still like to do it in the near future, but right now i just want a built 2.0L

a23dranger · Post by **a23dranger** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:15 pm

if you did go 2.4 sohc and use the ngc block then you'd have the block bosses for the half shaft bracket. just a thought