Horrible...Horrible...Horrible...

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:22 pm

I am new to these forums and i just got a 2005 Neon sxt Auto tranny. I raced like a 1995 chevy caviler and lost. I am in desprite need of some hp. I didnt know these cars were that slow. Anyways im thinking about turboing it and doint a ATX to a MTX swap. What kind of power gains am i looking at from that? Can anyone give me some links to where i can get a turbo and a conversion kit from ATX to MTX. Also what are some other upgrades i can do to get some more hp. LINKS ARE GREATLY APPRICIATED! like i said i am really discouraged about my car right now. plz no flaming about this. I really would like some help.

dblsg · Post by **dblsg** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:13 am

why don't we start with the cavalier... was it a z24? if it was regular cavi... bwhahahaha.... j/p.

why did you buy an automatic... that was the other problem, but i'll let the other guys come in and brake it down for you.

lilolneon · Post by **lilolneon** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:42 am

from what i know about the tranny swap, you can take 2 routes...

the 1st one keeps you close to your years stock setup, which is a hydraulic clutch, but from what i hear, its a PITA to get it to fit properly, but it might be easier since you have an 03+
For that setup you need the MTX from any neon 95-Current, the Bellhousing, needs to be from an 01+ Neon (cause of the hydraulic clutch) you also need the ECU/PCM from a neon the same year as you that had an MTX (you have to have the ECU/PCM programmed to your vin and sentry info too) Im pretty sure you also need the driver side axel, not sure about the passenger, also need shifter cables from any 95-Current MTX, a MTX shifter, and The clutch/brake pedals from an 01-current neon. Ther might be a few things i forgot or dont know about yet.

The other route you can take is pretty much the same thing as the first except you need a bell housing from any 95-00 Neon (They used a cable clutch setup), A clutch cable from a 00 Neon(Not sure if 1st gen clutch cables work, somethign about them being a little too short) And the clutch/brake pedals from an 00 Neon (95-99 Neon pedals dont fit properly I believe)

Anyone, if I left something out, plz, fill it in or correct any mistakes i have

As far as Turboing your car, I have no experience in that... yet

But, you can always think of doing an SRT Swap, which pretty much turns your car into an SRT-4...

Hope that helps a little

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:28 am

Yes it does.. If i do the turbo swap then i would probaly be walking my friends caviler right?

lilolneon · Post by **lilolneon** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:24 am

most likely...

Our stock neons run like 115whp i believe, (R/T stock run 135hp?)
a stock SRT-4 runs 230hp stock (04-05) (03 SRT-4 Ran 215hp)

Floyd · Post by **Floyd** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:05 am

i dont see that you should loose with just the MTX swap... as long as you can shift well, then you shouldnt loose unless he has some basic mods.

OB · Post by OB » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:18 am

Floyd wrote:i dont see that you should loose with just the MTX swap... as long as you can shift well, then you shouldnt loose unless he has some basic mods.

the ecotec motor in the newer cavs and other GM's is supposed to be good, especially with mods. but if its the older cavs, ive always heard they were slow as dust. a MTX neon is quite faster (not to mention lighter) than an ATX, but boost will put you over the top in pretty much any case. Keep in mind youre gonna be lookin at thousands of dollars and several long hours installing all this stuff, not to mention finding the parts in the first place aint gonna be a walk in the park. if all you care about is beating thr cav (or racing in general) you shouldnt have bought an atx neon.

Id say swap in the entire SRT power train and drivetrain, and go from there. its reliable OEM power and youre car will be much quicker.

koreysxt · Post by **koreysxt** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:22 am

If you have an 05 -- I'm assuming you have lots of warranty left. Thus, doing anything that drastic would void that warranty. If you wanted a racer, you shouldn't have bought an auto Neon. If you wanted basic, reliable transportation, you did just fine:)

Floyd · Post by **Floyd** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:51 am

orangeblastsxt wrote:the ecotec motor in the newer cavs and other GM's is supposed to be good, especially with mods. but if its the older cavs, ive always heard they were slow as dust. a MTX neon is quite faster (not to mention lighter) than an ATX, but boost will put you over the top in pretty much any case. Keep in mind youre gonna be lookin at thousands of dollars and several long hours installing all this stuff, not to mention finding the parts in the first place aint gonna be a walk in the park. if all you care about is beating thr cav (or racing in general) you shouldnt have bought an atx neon.

Id say swap in the entire SRT power train and drivetrain, and go from there. its reliable OEM power and youre car will be much quicker.

He said 95 cavi, im assuming auto on this one... my buddy has a 95 cavi and i can shift at 4K and kill him no problems.. ive raced when i was stock, another neon with everything the same as mine but an auto both were 04's with the same options and same weight and i killed her with out much fuss. Im just guessing that the auto neon is really a POS, i havent a clue ive never driven one

caustic neon · Post by **caustic neon** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:19 pm

hey floyd you can drive mine this weekend at the bone yard run. iots slow as _______

rice_eater · Post by **rice_eater** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:13 pm

boost the thing man...tranny swap wont give you extra power, it'll only help your engine put the same power to the ground more efficiently... for a little more money you can go the srt turbo route with a simple manifold adaptor, a fuel pressure regulator, injectors, return line and a pump, which in the end turn out to be a lot easier to install than all the cabling and all hte crap involved in a tranny swap. that's where i'd go with it... with an atx, your turbo will always be spooled so you will actually be faster than mtx cars

Floyd · Post by **Floyd** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:30 pm

caustic neon wrote:hey floyd you can drive mine this weekend at the bone yard run. iots slow as _______

I might have to. i know they are slow but geez...

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:47 pm

Where can i get a turbo for an atx? !LINK!

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:31 pm

You realize if your under any warranties, the turbo will void them in a heart beat. As for bolt on turbo kits:
http://www.modernperformance.com/dcx/2k_hrc.shtml
The above is for 00-02, add another $1000 for 03+...

Mat · Post by **Mat** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:30 pm

koreysxt wrote:If you have an 05 -- I'm assuming you have lots of warranty left. Thus, doing anything that drastic would void that warranty. If you wanted a racer, you shouldn't have bought an auto Neon. If you wanted basic, reliable transportation, you did just fine:)

Bingo.

dinetuner · Post by **dinetuner** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:29 pm

i say shoot for the srt set up.. search it theres alot of info on these boards... but pretty much your 03+ is set up for it... just a whole lot easier and as stated before the atx will keep the turbo spooled...and noting with your age you dont have massive amounts of money to throw around so research this site, read a book called maximum boost by corky bell, go on neons.org and research( i advise not to post), and slowly piece your kit togther.. you know intercooler here mani/turbo here ..so on and so forth...

grambo · Post by **grambo** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:56 pm

Take the car back and trade for an SRT-4. Less hassle. j/k

HP is tough to come by in the late model 2G's bro.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:56 am

autos arent that bad. i race mine, yet mine is stock but i keep it well maintained. people in my area just dont know when to give up. they think oh its just a neon, oh he beaten me....WTF!?