Fix it ticket-exhaust

joelrgr · Post by **joelrgr** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:37 pm

Ok, im sure alot of the people here know how loud our cars are with just the srt rear section added (engine->cat->no resonators->srt rear section)
Ive got the mid pipe or whatever that has the 2 resonators on it, will it significantly quiet my exhaust? I like how loud it is, but i would like it a bit less noisey, plus the fix i ticket is kinda BS cuz i know its not illegal loud anyways. Anyone get hassle for exhaust with the resonators on?

Here is the law here in MI
(1) (2) A dealer shall not sell or offer for sale for use upon a street or highway in this state AND A PERSON SHALL NOT OPERATE UPON A STREET OR HIGHWAY IN THIS STATE a new motor vehicle manufactured after April 1, 1978, which THAT produces a maximum noise exceeding the following limits MEASURED AT A DISTANCE OF 50 FEET :

(a) A motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 8,500 pounds or more-83 DBA.

(b) A motorcycle or a moped-83 DBA.

(c) A motor vehicle not covered in subdivision (a) or (b)-80 DBA.

So i get up to 80 decibels at a 50foot measured range correct? Where can i go to get this measured?

juicyjay504 · Post by **juicyjay504** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:40 pm

I think a stock srt exhaust on an NA Neon is worthy of a fix it ticket and is clearly loud enough to be illegal.

03sxt · Post by **03sxt** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:41 pm

juicyjay504 wrote:I think a stock srt exhaust on an NA Neon is worthy of a fix it ticket and is clearly loud enough to be illegal.

That's why I have a glasspack muffler replacing one of the resonators on the stock SRT midsection.

half_twisted · Post by **half_twisted** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:46 pm

03sxt wrote:
juicyjay504 wrote:I think a stock srt exhaust on an NA Neon is worthy of a fix it ticket and is clearly loud enough to be illegal.

That's why I have a glasspack muffler replacing one of the resonators on the stock SRT midsection.

werd.. I also have the mid and rear section and got a ticket. so i just added a 30" glasspak to replace those two small ones and its much better. past the fix it ticket. but it still gets louder as time goes by..

apk2k6 · Post by **apk2k6** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:17 pm

I dont have a glasspack or anything and haven't gotten a ticket. The cops aren't too bad around here though, they worry about other things.

eVilcreations · Post by **eVilcreations** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:39 pm

Ok, this is something that needs to be addressed actually.....

I got pulled over about 3 weeks ago for my exhaust being "too loud"...keeping in mind that I have Full OEM SRT exhaust...on a full SRT powertrain......

Now, 4 days ago, my buddy that just picked up a White 05 SRT from the dealership 3 weeks ago...also got pulled for his exhaust being "too loud".....

We are gonna bring this up with the city counsel/police dept. here and see what the deal is....

Josh

lilolneon · Post by **lilolneon** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:46 pm

i havent had any problems here with my srt exhaust... i have the srt midpipe as well, and i just blare past cops at times, seems like they dont really care

joelrgr · Post by **joelrgr** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:07 pm

See around here, cops will do most anything to pull over a kid with a nice car. The friggin state cop RAN A STOP SIGN by my house and almost Tboned me ( i had the right of way with no stop sign or light or anything with clear visability) then pulls me over not 1/4 mile from that intersection. Tells me my exhaust is too loud, i told him i have my cat and the rear section of my exhaust is a stock srt4 one. He told me i was lieing about both, that dodge (he didnt even know what my car was until he got my registration) wouldnt put out a loud car, and that i hollowed out my cat. I asked what the legal level was and he said he knows there is a set db level but he didnt know it, but he assured me NOONE can measure sound...what a friggin IDIOT! I asked him about the stop sign he ran and almost hit me and he tried giving me a tint ticket saying i couldnt even see if he stopped or not because my tint is too dark. I refused his tint ticket and made him check the % and not only is it legal, BUT my front windows were down all the way. Tomorrow i go to pick up my glasspack to replace one of the resonators on the srt midsection i have laying around and all installed.
Then to an audio shop in Grand Rapids (closest big city) to have my db tested from 50 feet. Then my local PD will dismiss my fix it ticket and start processing my complaint to this officers file about his conduct while driving and addressing a citizen.

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:29 pm

Don't forget court costs if you take it to court.

bdecker12 · Post by **bdecker12** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:26 pm

court costs money for a traffic offense?

i have the full catback with resonators, and i just got pulled over the other day. Now i sort of earned the ticket cuz i pulled out onto the road and pretty much went WOT past a cop. The cop refused to believe that the exhaust was from a stock SRT4 and that it came like that from the factory. He kept telling me i was a liar. But apparently in maine you have to have a certificate for any aftermarket exhaust that says its under 92 db.

what were the costs of your tickets? mine was $137 <death>

magnus · Post by **magnus** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:42 am

I have a friend who said that he actually went to the local DMV here in California to have his exhaust tested and recorded to verify that he was within the decibal limits. He told me that they gave him paperwork showing that he was within the limits, just in case he ever got pulled over. He is running an Evo exhaust on a 99 Civic.

I don't know how true his statement actaully was becuase i never followed up with the DMV to see if they have such a program, nor did I ask to see the paperwork. I just told him that a cop hear in California will just skip the Decibal limits of the exhaust, and just nail him for modified exhaust.

You might want to check with your local DMV office to see if they actually do it. It won't hurt to ask.

Evil Creations: Goodluck with the City Council. I hope everthing goes good. From personal experience, whenever people complain to the Council constantly over "little" stuff like this (to them anyways), they tend to listen and respond. Just make sure that you have everything you need. I heard that the manual that comes with the SRT-4 comes with a diagram explaining the exhaust set-up of the vehicle. You may want to present that, along with any other documentation that you get your hands on from the dealer/dodge. Keep us updated

bdecker12 · Post by **bdecker12** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:05 am

yeah i read on srtforums that someone got pulled over in their srt, and the cop was hassling him for no mufflers etc.. so he had the cop follow him to the stealership to look under the stock srt's

joelrgr · Post by **joelrgr** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:19 am

I dont know about any court costs for this, dont think there would be any. Dunno about the ticket amount either, he didnt measure my db at the time of the ticket so i dont have to pay the ticket regardless, just gotta show up to get it dismissed. he cant legally prove my exhaust was too loud.

OB · Post by OB » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:23 am

bdecker12 wrote:yeah i read on srtforums that someone got pulled over in their srt, and the cop was hassling him for no mufflers etc.. so he had the cop follow him to the stealership to look under the stock srt's

smooth

^^

in CA they can give an exhaust ticket for ANY modified system. If your NEON didnt come from the factory with the SRT exhaust u guys have, then its no diff than if its aftermarket or not. all states are diff tho.

bdecker12 · Post by **bdecker12** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:37 am

joelrgr wrote:I dont know about any court costs for this, dont think there would be any. Dunno about the ticket amount either, he didnt measure my db at the time of the ticket so i dont have to pay the ticket regardless, just gotta show up to get it dismissed. he cant legally prove my exhaust was too loud.

i'm contesting mine so i think i'll try that. Because he didnt measure it. But he said i needed a certificate so we'll see

joelrgr · Post by **joelrgr** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:39 am

Who's to say you dont change it after the certificate though. That's prolly gonna be cops next move even after u get a cert for it.

OB · Post by OB » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:32 am

joelrgr wrote:Who's to say you dont change it after the certificate though. That's prolly gonna be cops next move even after u get a cert for it.

the cerificate deal doesnt work, joe is right. ive already heard from a cop that papers dont do shit since the person could easily modify the exhaust/part afterwards. maybe if the papers included detailed pictures, but still, i doubt the court will count that.

sllywhtboy · Post by **sllywhtboy** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:59 pm

SRT exhaust on a NA neon is quite loud.

there should be a section of the law that indicates how the police are to measure and/or enforce it. take that with you and indicate whether or not the officer followed that section to identify your exhaust as 'excessively loud'

that said, you could always pick up one of these.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... age=search

dawm · Post by **dawm** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:35 pm

joel i had the srt catback w/ resonators and i live next to like 3 cops that dont take much of anything from any of the neighbors. i leave for work at 3:30am every morning and they've never given me any problems.

now i just have a glasspack (waiting on my tips so i can install the camaro muffler as well) and let me tell you.. long tube->glasspack is insanely loud. i hurt my own ears today doing a 5->3 downshift.. specially at 4k+ its raspy and ear piercing as all hell..

the resonators on the srt catback help, but it is loud, not that i ever had a problem with it. what some people have done is added a glasspack where the resonators are/were and they seemed happy with that (cat->glasspack) and glasspacks arent too expensive, i got my 28" thrush magnum glasspack from summit for $26. advanceauto sells them for $26 too and usually has them instock

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:26 pm

Man, this stuff sux - back in the day (1990-95) I drove a 73 Monte Carlo with a 350 v8, 3" dual exhaust and 2 thrush glasspacks for the mufflers - straight thru, nothing else - it was loud as all h3ll, and I NEVER got messed with. On my 92 t-bird sport (the 302 v8, mustang stuff) - I had the same set up, and never once did a cop even glance my way, even if getting on it, but not being a jerk about it... I don't get it, I guess it is just a typical liberal mindset that says if one person doesn't like it, we should accomidate that one person and hinder all others.

whatever, I am through raving - sux man, sorry to hear about everyone elses bad luck.

OB · Post by OB » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:30 pm

pretty sure v8's dont apply to the rules. nor do trucks, suvs, etc. its fuckin segregation is what it is. my friends dad the cop said he busts dudes for exhaust all day long. he even asked me if i had a legal CAI and i showed him my CARB legal shit and he said as long as it has a number they let it go. im about to make a copy of that sticker and put it on my exhaust lol. anyways, this cop has a ford excursion AND a silverado, both with flowmasters (loud as my car), and he said the rule doesnt apply to bigger cars and/or bigger engined cars. bs!!!

dblsg · Post by **dblsg** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:10 pm

orangeblastsxt wrote: and he said the rule doesnt apply to bigger cars and/or bigger engined cars. bs!!!

aint that some shit right there...

i got pulled over on my scratus for my muffler... cop was a jerk, gave me a whole bunch of warning tickets, but none was for the muffler. i went to the police dpt and complained... the chief was real cool about it and apologized for the rookie cop. it was kinda cool.

joelrgr · Post by **joelrgr** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:37 pm

There was a portion in section 707c i believe in my states rules saying vehicles over 8500lbs had a higher db limit, as do motorcycles (i believe mentioned on here by someone that its for lack of room for sound deadening equipment).

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:35 am

one thing about the srt's you have to remember is the turbocharger works as a silencer of some type also. The srt's where designed from the factory to be legal the way they are stock.
As for the srt system on a non-srt, then yeah dcb's are border line illegal. Without having the turbocharger on the car there is no real type of a muffler to quiet down the system.
So long story short, unless you have a good inline muffler on the srt system, the 2 resonators dont help quieting down the exhaust.

03sxt · Post by **03sxt** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:22 am

I still don't understand how your exhaust could be that loud... I don't care what kind of exhaust you have, even if you don't have one at all... 80 dB at 50 feet is focking LOUD. My siren for the fire department is rated at 120 dB @ ~10ft and there is NO WAY an exhaust system would come close to the volume of a siren on an emergency vehicle.

Granted, the SRT exhaust on a non-SRT Neon is horribly loud and obnoxious, but it does not exceed those levels stated in your laws. No possibilty. I know because I had my exhaust that way for a couple weeks before I couldn't stand the headaches and dirty looks anymore and broke down and bought a glasspack muffler for it.

This is all insane... Just my $0.06.

OB · Post by OB » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:29 am

i dont know where fifty feet came from, but if i remember right (this was about a month ago) my friends dad the cop told me they test at 4 feet at a 45 degree angle (??). here in CA its a 95db max. and youre right 03, 80db at 50 feet is super loud i dont see how that could be true.

another factor is the vehicles year. I think anything before like 1979 (??) has no restrictions for sound/ emissions. and the size of the motor depends on how loud it can be as well it seems, cuz of all the noisy ass mustangs and camaros shakin walls around here.

grambo · Post by **grambo** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:11 pm

OB = I beleive the dB level law applies to ALL vehicles. You know who to ask is mopar00neon. He's with law enforcement down in Merced. And he's a 2GN member as opposed to your friend's dad who put Flows on his boat-pullers..
I've never had a problem thanks to all the rice-boys around Tracy..

Wisher2 · Post by **Wisher2** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:35 pm

http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=8135
http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=8134

I hope this reading for California Residents help to better explain the laws
*Edit*
http://www.pointhappy.com/cvcars/calregs.htm

joelrgr · Post by **joelrgr** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:59 pm

The 50 feet comes from my first post that started this.

(1) (2) A dealer shall not sell or offer for sale for use upon a street or highway in this state AND A PERSON SHALL NOT OPERATE UPON A STREET OR HIGHWAY IN THIS STATE a new motor vehicle manufactured after April 1, 1978, which THAT produces a maximum noise exceeding the following limits MEASURED AT A DISTANCE OF 50 FEET :

(a) A motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 8,500 pounds or more-83 DBA.

(b) A motorcycle or a moped-83 DBA.

(c) A motor vehicle not covered in subdivision (a) or (b)-80 DBA.

OB · Post by OB » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:21 pm

grambo wrote:OB = I beleive the dB level law applies to ALL vehicles. You know who to ask is mopar00neon. He's with law enforcement down in Merced. And he's a 2GN member as opposed to your friend's dad who put Flows on his boat-pullers..
I've never had a problem thanks to all the rice-boys around Tracy..

my buddys dad has been chp for years. I asked him if he would pull me over for exhaust noise, and he said "oh yeah, thats too loud", but my shit isnt even half as loud as the rice dudes around here. a quality system usually doesnt make as much noise as some shitty autozone muffler with cheap/non existant packing/insulation in my experience. it depends on the car of course, cuz somethin like an STI is just plain loud no matter what exhaust it has on it. the motor is naturally loud. anyways, im pretty sure the DB level has exceptions for the bigger motor cars like big trucks and muscle cars. he said they were in a totally different class and the same rules dont apply. who knows FOR SURE tho.

and i know what u mean about the rice rockets keeping the attention of the cops, not only cuz their shit is louder, but because they drive like complete idiots and rev all over the place. If i see a cop or feel like i might be in a situation where i could get in trouble, I kick the clutch (and use a bit of ebrake if i need to slow down instead of downshifting). a lot of the people with loud exhausts could easily get away with it if they just used common sense IMO.

thanks for the links wisher a lot of people should find them useful. Ive seen that before i think.