Censorship. Aint it a bitch

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:01 am

So does any colorful mod or admin want to explain why my sig has been removed from every one of my posts? Could it be because of a certain admin here and his shady business practices?

there were legitimate assholes and scammers in my sig from both this site and others. It seems as if some people here have a hard time dealing with that or just want others to be ripped off by the same people.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:18 am

just because you had a bad transaction doesn't mean someone else might not have a +.....i don't know who or why someone took your sig down but it was pretty obvious....that's why we have a feedback forum....and it should be kept in there....that's just my opinion

OB · Post by OB » Thu May 11, 2006 10:29 am

its a conspiracy i tell you!

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:30 am

E3EsXt02 wrote:just because you had a bad transaction doesn't mean someone else might not have a +.....i don't know who or why someone took your sig down but it was pretty obvious....that's why we have a feedback forum....and it should be kept in there....that's just my opinion

actually i thought of that but two out of the three are not members of this board. I also did have a long complaint about evilcreations and of course, that was deleted too. This censorship has been going on for months like a lame cat and mouse game.

But then again, why should anyone else give a shit whats on my sig as long as its not porn or something else obscene? At least its the truth and it does warn people of some of the scammers that troll these kinds of boards. You never know, there just might be some people might think the bunny in your sig is not appropriate for a car forum. I really hope this place doesn't turn into another srtforums. Ironically evilcreations is having the same problems there too.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:38 am

orangeblastsxt wrote:its a conspiracy i tell you!

no need for that dumb comment in here....he was basically asking the mods what was up....

and kevo i know evil has like 10 positive transactions and now has a store and what not...and he explained what happened with you back in sept or w/e....sometimes things happens and you got a refund out of it....so draggin his name down is not nessacary in my opinion.....

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:39 am

also your thread about evil is still in the feedback forum with a negative over it....go look...was not deleted

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:42 am

E3EsXt02 wrote:
orangeblastsxt wrote:its a conspiracy i tell you!

no need for that dumb comment in here....he was basically asking the mods what was up....

and kevo i know evil has like 10 positive transactions and now has a store and what not...and he explained what happened with you back in sept or w/e....sometimes things happens and you got a refund out of it....so draggin his name down is not nessacary in my opinion.....

if you would have read the sig you would have noticed that i was the one dragged down in the transaction. His form of "refund" also cost me money. I would have been much more noble about this if it wasnt for the fact not only was the original thread deleted but he would also continually talk shit about the whole situation making himself look like the victim.

Regardless, how does this situation even justify removing the rest of the names on the list? It doesnt.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:44 am

well since it seems like you give a damn about what i'm tryin to say....just pm diablo.....i'm done try to help you see the other side in here

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:59 am

E3EsXt02 wrote:also your thread about evil is still in the feedback forum with a negative over it....go look...was not deleted

sorry, i should have made it clearer. i was refering to his original BST board where all of this blew up and continued to do so after i got my money back. I never bothered to post anything else in his feedback forum, i should have.

E3EsXt02 wrote:well since it seems like you give a damn about what i'm tryin to say....just pm diablo.....i'm done try to help you see the other side in here

I have read everything you have said so far. However, it simply doesnt justify having my sig removed. I only wanted to know who removed my sig and why. When i get home from work ill put it back up. Until someone tells me otherwise or until i get an ekool style banning.

Post by **Diablo0** » Thu May 11, 2006 12:31 pm

Okay... these past two weeks or so I haven't been on as much b/c I haven't been home so I wasn't able to see some of the stuff we're talking about here like your sig or any posts you may have made. Please PM me to discuss what was said in your sig...

I will say though that we do have a rule on here that says:

Vendor Flaming/Bashing
I will allow you to post your bad experiences with a vendor but in order to do so the full story must be told. We will not allow such threads/posts that say nothing more than 'DO NOT BUY FROM *insert vendor here*' and do not contain an explanation. If you hound the vendor by posting in every thread they are included in or make repeated posts about your such experience to ruin their day, you will be warned of your actions then banned if it is repeated. Please keep your experience to your thread.

That rule has been up since just about day one of the forum before Josh was on the staff and maybe even a member at the time so please, don't think that rule was created to solely protect him. With that said all I ask is that if you had a bad experience to please make a thread in the Vendor feedback explaining your experience with the transaction.

I do want to help and I value what members think of the moderation to know it's not untrustworthy to clean up anything that they don't like to see. I had that problem with a past Admin and know it's frustrating so I'd like to understand more of whats going on in this situation. I also know how this is on SRTforums and neons.org where you make a thread one of the admins don't like and poof, gone... case in point on SRTforums, NRGY, but I won't go down that road. So please, PM me and we can discuss this further.

OB · Post by OB » Thu May 11, 2006 2:35 pm

E3EsXt02 wrote:
orangeblastsxt wrote:its a conspiracy i tell you!

no need for that dumb comment in here....he was basically asking the mods what was up....

just kidding e3 dont ban me or anything, dang.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:19 pm

Diablo0 wrote:Okay... these past two weeks or so I haven't been on as much b/c I haven't been home so I wasn't able to see some of the stuff we're talking about here like your sig or any posts you may have made. Please PM me to discuss what was said in your sig...

I will say though that we do have a rule on here that says:

Vendor Flaming/Bashing
I will allow you to post your bad experiences with a vendor but in order to do so the full story must be told. We will not allow such threads/posts that say nothing more than 'DO NOT BUY FROM *insert vendor here*' and do not contain an explanation. If you hound the vendor by posting in every thread they are included in or make repeated posts about your such experience to ruin their day, you will be warned of your actions then banned if it is repeated. Please keep your experience to your thread.
That rule has been up since just about day one of the forum before Josh was on the staff and maybe even a member at the time so please, don't think that rule was created to solely protect him. With that said all I ask is that if you had a bad experience to please make a thread in the Vendor feedback explaining your experience with the transaction.

I do want to help and I value what members think of the moderation to know it's not untrustworthy to clean up anything that they don't like to see. I had that problem with a past Admin and know it's frustrating so I'd like to understand more of whats going on in this situation. I also know how this is on SRTforums and neons.org where you make a thread one of the admins don't like and poof, gone... case in point on SRTforums, NRGY, but I won't go down that road. So please, PM me and we can discuss this further.

its been in my sig since mid march. I left this place and the org after basically being ripped off by evilcreations, LowNSlow and dismp at the org. Kevin_GP and 03atx persuaded me to post a few things again for the hell of it. I can see that i really shouldnt have bothered. I never did read the rules regarding bad transactions though, i apologize for that.

It's only when evilcreations goes to make his big vendor announcement that suddenly, my entire sig is gone. All my sig had was the names of those that ripped me off including him and what i am still owed or what people should be aware of. I never once went after him or trolled any of his threads until i noticed my sig was removed. Besides, i wouldnt need to. He already has one sour instance at srtforums that is exactly like the one he had here. Not a good sign considering he has had the board for less than one month.

Which brings up a good and good point here. This situation brings up an obvious conflict of interest between his moderating duties and his newfound business. I wont bother putting my sig back up. I think ill just put it up at the org and float around there from now on.

eVilcreations · Post by **eVilcreations** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:34 pm

kevo wrote: He already has one sour instance at srtforums that is exactly like the one he had here. Not a good sign considering he has had the board for less than one month.

I'm not too sure what the hell you are talking. I have over 100 feedbacks on SRTforums, and ALL of them are positive. I am in the process of issuing a refund for a badge right now.....but it was shipped.....and I do have proof of shipping...which really is none of your business anyway.......but the package was ripped, and the badge is now gone....so I am refunding the customers payment.

Now, honestly.....WHY do you insist on dragging your issue out with me for SOOOOOO long? You originally left me negative feedback clear back in Sept. 2005.....so now it's May 2006....why do you insist on continueing this? I was having a very hard time with the military(work) at the time, and all the stuff with the premature twins, and all kinds of shit.....you got your refund...so why, why, why, why, why do you continue this kevo?????

You know...it really does amaze me that throughout all this time, and all of my HAPPY customers....you still remain of the belief that I am a "scammer"........

Josh

sullygully · Post by **sullygully** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:40 pm

The mans rules for women:

#5. Anything that happened 6 months ago is dismissible in an arguement.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:51 pm

I actually find your post the most amusing out of anyone elses. The simple fact that you cant answer why would you even feel the need to remove my sig in the first place. You seem to think i am out to get you at every corner.

Instead of talking out of your ass with blatant lies about attacking you. I challenge anyone who is reading this to check the proof themselves. Search my posts.

http://forum.2gn.org/search.php?search_author=kevo

Besides the one bad feedback i left for you and the one thread we had our first discussion with in which you quickly deleted, i never have brought up this subject until you deleted my signature. To top that i simply didnt come back after being ripped by you and LowNSlow. So if anyone wants to play the part of the better man it was me.

The only one here that seems to be holding this above their heads is you. If it didnt bother you then you wouldnt have deleted my sig in the first place? Against the rules? Or only against the rules on the day you decide to post another big sale even though the sig has been on these boards for 3 months now.....

Its clear as day that its actually you who Cant handle having negative feedback or anyone speaking out against you. I know for a fact that ekool and the goonsquad at srtforums sticks up for all of their vendors but its time for you to face the real world. Mommy, daddy and paid vendor spots wont always be there for you.

This is just another lame attempt to make everyone think you got the short end of the stick. You deleted it because it was simply the truth and you are simply not grown up enough to deal with it. You didnt like what it said and since you have the power to do something about it you did. The fact of the matter is You screwed up. grow up and get over it.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:06 pm

ACTUALLY you got some things wrong...first of all we as mods DON'T DELETE ANY thread....we simply move them to the old thread forum....jason clearly said to us as mods if we are caught delete threads we are done and off the site....so that right there isn't true....it was probably removed due to the fighting/flaming/argueing when it can be done through pm's, aim, phone, feedback forum....

Also yes having negatives about people in your sig is against the rules....AGAIN that is why we have a FEEDBACK FORUM....

this happened so long ago....he explained that it was a military reason why it didn't fall through and there for gave you a refund....YOU DID THE RIGHT THING by leaving a negative feedback WHICH STILL STANDS in the FEEDBACK FORUM for any one to read....

It's a bitch that it didn't work out for you in the transactions....everyone at some point will run into them....

ehh i'm sick of draggin this out b/c it seems like you still are just stuck on it......

quicksilvr · Post by **quicksilvr** » Fri May 12, 2006 12:07 am

This

is now officially put to

. Or else

&

are going to use the MIB memory eraser thingy ma-bob.

I've had good dealings with both Kevo and with Josh. Seems to me though that a decent and honest explanation is needed for Kevo's sake (probably via pm's) for the TIMING of his sigs disappearance. And with that, I would think that Kevo would have to take it how he will and be done with the whole issue. Just my two cents, even though they don't matter much.

2003silverneonsxt · Post by **2003silverneonsxt** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:13 am

i bought a cf hood from josh *evilcreations* and had nothing but good things to say bout it, he constantly was running back and forth to make sure it got shipped right, and packaged right, and sent on time...

kevo · Post by **kevo** » Fri May 12, 2006 5:23 am

E3EsXt02 wrote:ACTUALLY you got some things wrong...first of all we as mods DON'T DELETE ANY thread....we simply move them to the old thread forum....jason clearly said to us as mods if we are caught delete threads we are done and off the site....so that right there isn't true....it was probably removed due to the fighting/flaming/argueing when it can be done through pm's, aim, phone, feedback forum....

so which one was it, the old thread forum or deleted? Thats just a contradictory statement. Not a single one of the so called mods and admins have been able to answer any of my questions with a straight answer yet.

Also yes having negatives about people in your sig is against the rules....AGAIN that is why we have a FEEDBACK FORUM....

This is just the biggest piece of BS i have ever heard. If it was so against the rules i wonder why nobody stopped it 3 months ago when it was floating in every one of my posts? When evilcreations deletes it the same day of his sale thread this suddenly becomes the big no no.

this happened so long ago....he explained that it was a military reason why it didn't fall through and there for gave you a refund....YOU DID THE RIGHT THING by leaving a negative feedback WHICH STILL STANDS in the FEEDBACK FORUM for any one to read....

I already apologized for this. Then again there still hasnt been anyone thats given me a viable explanation of why the entire sig was removed on the same day of his sale.

It's a bitch that it didn't work out for you in the transactions....everyone at some point will run into them....

yup, Im still dealing with one more from the org. Almost seems like the neon community is filled with more rippers than most other car communities.

ehh i'm sick of draggin this out b/c it seems like you still are just stuck on it......

You are obviously not reading anything i have posted. You are simply just quick to defend evilcreations. As i said before, feel free to check all my posts and have a look at this yourself. Please do that next time you want to make a baseless and brainless post about me. So suddenly im dragging this out for months? whatever man.

Im done with this and this site. I wasnt worth coming back in the first place. Im better than this and the stupid crap posted on these boards. Go ahead and cover up for your admins and vendors. This place is definetely on its way to become the next srtforums.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Fri May 12, 2006 6:35 am

i think you need to re read....No threads are deleted.....and when i said when it was removed i meant from the site of people to view who are not mods...

also i explained about 3 to 5 times why your sig was removed.....i didn't do it and i necassarly don't agree with why it was removed...but it was and i told you why i think it was...

also you think i'm defending evil creations...i'm not i'm defending the site.....but your so stuck on the situation you can't even see that.....

2003silverneonsxt · Post by **2003silverneonsxt** » Fri May 12, 2006 6:37 am

i think we just need to lock this stupid thread and end the crap.. be done with it.. let it go!

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Fri May 12, 2006 10:08 am

this is funny. How much money did he lose, I am curious? Also, if I was a mod and I saw someone with negative stuff about me in their sig.. I would get rid of it too. Thats just not cool. Thats why there is a feedback forum. Leave it to that.

Post by **Diablo0** » Fri May 12, 2006 10:56 am

Everyone is stuck on one thing and one thing only and thats the removal of the sig. Plain and simple I didn't see the sig or pay all that much attention to it if I did see it. I try to read as much of the forum as possible when I was working and even now since I've been heading out of town a lot within the past two weeks and then working a lot around the house to get it ready to be put up forsale. Getting home after being away for a week and seeing 200+ threads with new topics to read takes awhile and then half the time I'm skimming through as much as I can. Right now it's only me and Josh that are able to ban and edit peoples profiles so yes Josh did do it... saying that it is completely right since he does have a conflict of interest now, I don't think it was but I wasn't here to see it and I trust the other people I have on here to take care of any situations that arise. You sig was, if you want to get technial about it, against the rules. If it was me I probably would have left it as long as it wasn't something huge and obnoxious to look at every time I scroll down the page. The rule for the sig has been there since near day one of the forum, even before Josh was on here and way before he was part of a business. I'm sorry that it was removed, it is a conflict of interest the same way if I tried to sell something on here and someone said something about me that I didn't like... whats to do, one it's against the rules but two, if I remove whats said then it'll look like I'm covering something up b/c it was something said about me.

I can't do much to bring the sig back, if your sig broke a rule that was on here from the start then it should have been removed and we just didn't notice it b/c I know I didn't notice it. I also might add that it looks like you really have only been active starting the month of April till now. Before that there was one post late March, one early January and on and off a few posts in November and December. So saying it's been on here 3 months that'd put it in the beginning of February, a time you weren't posting until March 26th almost 2 months later and I don't typically see peoples sigs unless they're actively posting or I go back to old threads but then it'd only be by chance I came across it.

If you have 2GN pegged as a new up and coming SRTforums there isn't anything I can do about it, if you don't wish to participate on the forum thats your choice. From your last sentence I'm considering this to be a closed matter as it looks like you're done with the site. Sorry you feel that way but each party has valid points and whats done has been done and I'll work to find a better way of handling a matter like this in the future. If you still want to discuss this please PM me.