exhaust questions

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:34 am

ok everyone right now all i have is a K&N filter attached to the throttle body but here in the next couple of weeks im gunna be ordering an exhaust for my car...right now im thinking about going with the OBX header and pacesetter muffler with 2.25 piping. do yall think this will be a good combo?

SGT BRAD · Post by **SGT BRAD** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:45 am

i used to have the obx. it's good for a short tube and very easy to install. for better performance gains the tti is hard to beat and is about the same price. checkout www.manciniracing.com (i think that's it). also i like my thermal r/d exhaust, but others will chime in with various combos. personally i'm not a big fan of pacesetter. they have a history of rotting off of cars in short order. they may be better nowadays, but there are better alternatives in my opinion. good luck.

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:53 am

what is TTI..i couldnt find it on that website, and as for the thermal exhaust im wanting to stay with the dual exhaust cause i have the cut outs on my bumper for duals

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:09 am

get the thermal rear section dual exhuast muffler....and then get a adapter welded onto your stock mid piping and run the thermal r/t muffler....

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:17 am

stay away from pacesetter, for the price of one of there mufflers you can get a DynoMax and do a custom setup. Depending on who you talk to here people are going to recomend numerous different manufacturers. If your new to the neon scene do a search on mufflers to see what others have done and recomend.
Also if you look hard enough people have submitted sound clips of there setups also..everything from a SRT cat back to complete $500 engine back systems...

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:46 am

DONT BUT PACESETTER!

Their Products suck and they are a nightmare to deal with.

BORLA FTW!

SGT BRAD · Post by **SGT BRAD** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:26 pm

eastwoodsn352 wrote:what is TTI..i couldnt find it on that website, and as for the thermal exhaust im wanting to stay with the dual exhaust cause i have the cut outs on my bumper for duals

look on www.howellautomotive.com under 2gn neons and their exhaust page. you'll find a brief description of the tti's there. you can also buy it there, or at mancini. i have heard that mancini has them a little more quickly. good luck.
brad

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:08 pm

x3 on the do not buy pacesetter - they rot and die before the first frost of winter. Also, do not buy from howell... you will be waiting for a millenia to get your stuff and most likely it will be all wrong. Anyway, I would personally get rid of that k&n attached to the TB and buy the eBay CAI for your car. then use your k&n filter, that will be awesome. Or just put your old box back in because all you are doing is sucking in warm air from the engine. One last thing - what is your goal with the car? Want to go all motor? Turbo? Nitrous Oxide? Daily Driver with a few extra hp's? If either of those, go with the 2.5" exhaust because you already have a mandrel bent 2.25" exhaust on your car. Why waste money?? If you are looking for more power and are going to get an OBX shorty, save your money and get a used mag header instead (same thing). Or go mid to long tube header. Just my two cents.

You will thank yourself if you decide to add a Cam, Mag head/intake or a P&P... your car will breathe better and thank you for it buy eating a focus or two each day.

That keeps it happy.

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:17 pm

well i wanna say i wanna do a turbo and all that but i dont see that happeneing anytime soon cause i dont have the money...all i will probably do is header back exhaust, throttle body, CAI, and maybe a coil, plug wires, and good spark plugs. and are u positive i have 2.25 piping? i was going to go to an exhaust shop tomorrow to get someone to tell me for sure what size it was *its a 2005 SXT with SRT design kit*

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:19 pm

The only Neons that do not have 2.25 is the ULEV Neoni's, AFAIK

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:39 pm

hmmm then why would borla sell a catback for 2.25 exhaust piping? kinda dumb on their part

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:40 pm

Dunno - guess it will sell

Go 2.5 - looking at your plans for the future, that seems best.

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:22 pm

ya...anyone know if borla will sell just the muffler?

Mat · Post by **Mat** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:27 pm

kc2002acr wrote:The only Neons that do not have 2.25 is the ULEV Neoni's, AFAIK

Not true. From 1999 to 2001.5, the PL2s had 2" exhaust systems. Once the R/T and ACR were introduced, a change was made to give all Neons a 2.25" exhaust system. I know because I had a 4/99 mfr'd car.

And if I were you, Dude, I would simply save my pennies for the turbo system. You'll probably want to dump the 2.5" or any other all-motor exhaust system once you have it.

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:29 pm

im not getting a turbo anytime soon meaning it will be like 4+ years before i get it....after i graduate college and get a real job...right now im making 6.50 at a movie theater so a turbo is unlikely at this point in time

SGT BRAD · Post by **SGT BRAD** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:50 pm

kc2002acr wrote:The only Neons that do not have 2.25 is the ULEV Neoni's, AFAIK

i believe that 01's had 2.25" piping, and that mid-year 02 was changed to 2". only way to tell for sure is to slap a caliper on the piping. if the o.d. is close to 2.5" then you know it's 2.25"i.d. if the o.d. is 2.25" then obviously the i.d. aint!

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:07 am

eastwoodsn352 wrote:ya...anyone know if borla will sell just the muffler?

no they won't

The Borla Mid-Pipe is T304 Stainless and it doesnt have the stock resonators in it. Plus it's 2 pieces rather than just one.

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:05 am

after looking in they're website i think im just gunna buy the borla muffler *part number 40477* its a 2.5 inlet and dual 2.5 outlets

OB · Post by OB » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:24 am

sounds like a muffler/rear section would be the best choice for ya, cost wise. as everyone said, pacesetter is apparently complete crapola, but most other brands that make exhaust systems for the neons seem to have their praises and complaints. all are quality (borla, thermal, etc) companies so any would do. good luck

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:25 am

ya....so that solves the muffler question....what about the header haha

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:28 am

since your exhaust will have to be from a muffler shop. might as well get a long tube header to go along with it. and then you can just sell it once you go turbo, as you said.

OB · Post by OB » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:29 am

was your question whether or not to get the OBX? IF so, ive heard good things about them. That header is the same as a Magnum (neon rt/acr) header and also the same as the Borla. from what ive heard, their ports are almost identical and the only differences are cosmetic (borla), but id sat go with the OBX or a mag if u can find one for sale used. they go fast so keep ur eyes peeled. any other questions about the header?

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:29 am

im kinda wanting to get a short tube so i can keep some low end power

OB · Post by OB » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:32 am

then what I said above is the way to go. the difference in power gain/loss/transfer is questionable. Longtubes are much harder to come by in my experience, so thats also good in your case since youre lookin for a short tube (mag/borla/OBX).

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:34 am

ya im thinking about the OBX but i cant really find anything about them online...ill be going to a place called speedsouth tomorrow..maybe they will be able to answer a bunch of my questions. but form what ive heard longtubes are for high end power and short tubes are for low end torque. is this true?

OB · Post by OB » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:39 am

Ive heard many theories about headers, but id have to say that it depends on the car. Some may lose high end with a longtube while another car might gain. All I can say for sure is that any of those aftermarket headers (save the pacesetter perhaps) are better than the stock one. I think OBX has a website, but i dont know what it is for sure. anyone?

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:40 am

ive tried google'n it but i couldnt find it...

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:46 am

you can buy the OBx header on MPx
obx

eastwoodsn352 · Post by **eastwoodsn352** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:27 am

ya i found out about the header on modern performance. but i appreciate all the help from you guys...

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:10 am

orangeblastsxt wrote:Ive heard many theories about headers, but id have to say that it depends on the car. Some may lose high end with a longtube while another car might gain. All I can say for sure is that any of those aftermarket headers (save the pacesetter perhaps) are better than the stock one. I think OBX has a website, but i dont know what it is for sure. anyone?

LT will help gain high end power and loose LOW end power - that is the common result. If you are going to go OBX, instead, go to your junk yard and find a smashed up r/t or acr and pull the header off of it - should run you no more than 50$ or find a used one here or on the other dotorg (Neons.org). You will save lots of money!

If you go the junkyard route, also pull the intake mani and head if still available!