atx vs mtx

moparman · Post by **moparman** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:54 pm

how much faster is a manual than a automatic and is their any good points to a automatic

CU_rob · Post by **CU_rob** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:12 pm

automatics make for good rental cars

JK!

Calm down atx owners... no autos make for good drag cars (no missing shifts).

Manuals make for great weekend getaway cars, fun on any mountain retreat road... bad in bumper to bumper rushhour traffic

Manuals can be much faster, but that depends on a human factor (i.e. driver).

each has pos and neg's .... matter of opinion, like the whole egg and chicken deal...hmm... which did come first?

2k2patriotblueneon · Post by **2k2patriotblueneon** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:03 pm

Rob is basically right....mostly depends on preference. If your neon is older than an 02 you have a three speed ATX which has available HP parts which helps.

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:25 pm

not very much faster apparently.. i stayed door to door wiht a MTX of the same year as my ATX last night. and he had the jump, i caught him and stayed dead even with him till i dropped back.

unsuper man · Post by **unsuper man** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 1:16 am

theneonkid wrote:not very much faster apparently.. i stayed door to door wiht a MTX of the same year as my ATX last night. and he had the jump, i caught him and stayed dead even with him till i dropped back.

and ive raced atx's with more mods them me and pulled thier ass like no tomorrow. i think maybe you were racing a shitty driver???

Brett R/T · Post by **Brett R/T** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:40 am

when talking about neons, manual tranny cars usually run about 1-1.5 seconds quicker in the 1/4 mile. If you ask me, that's a huge difference.

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:19 pm

i think it was a combo of a shitty driver, and an old as MTX that's probably been through hell.... cuz i raced my girl in her 2k4 MTX SXT today, and i got the jump cuz she doesn't knwo how to launch..... buit she caught me and passed me like cake.... oh well... it's a slow ass ATX... i don't care.

J double R · Post by **J double R** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:13 pm

which is why they have atx-mtx kits... hehe. i can't wait till i save up enough for that.

Kernel Panic · Post by **Kernel Panic** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:43 pm

If you run brackets the ATX is more consistant, the MTX will own you heads up. But the reason being is that the MTX has taller(3.94) final drive than the ATX(2.86). Simon Eyre took a set of transfer gears from an early 80's ATX(from and Horizon/Omni) and put those in his 1st gen ATX. Made a massive difference. But according to Gary Howell apparently some things don't line up correctly. I'll have to ask Simon one of these days to get the scoop. FWIR Simon and I used to get beat by a second or two by the MTXer's in AutoX, once Simon did the TG swap he was running very close to the MTX guys. In a nutshell that ATX's are slower because of those transfer gears.

Stonebender · Post by **Stonebender** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:26 pm

Kernel Panic wrote:If you run brackets the ATX is more consistant, the MTX will own you heads up. But the reason being is that the MTX has taller(3.94) final drive than the ATX(2.86). Simon Eyre took a set of transfer gears from an early 80's ATX(from and Horizon/Omni) and put those in his 1st gen ATX. Made a massive difference. But according to Gary Howell apparently some things don't line up correctly. I'll have to ask Simon one of these days to get the scoop. FWIR Simon and I used to get beat by a second or two by the MTXer's in AutoX, once Simon did the TG swap he was running very close to the MTX guys. In a nutshell that ATX's are slower because of those transfer gears.

Psst... 2.86:1 is taller than 3.94:1. MTX's shorter gearing makes it faster. 3.94 is also only the final drive ratio for R/T's, ACR's and 1g DOHC's. Normal Neons are 3.43 I think.

Kernel Panic · Post by **Kernel Panic** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:15 pm

Stonebender wrote:
Kernel Panic wrote:If you run brackets the ATX is more consistant, the MTX will own you heads up. But the reason being is that the MTX has taller(3.94) final drive than the ATX(2.86). Simon Eyre took a set of transfer gears from an early 80's ATX(from and Horizon/Omni) and put those in his 1st gen ATX. Made a massive difference. But according to Gary Howell apparently some things don't line up correctly. I'll have to ask Simon one of these days to get the scoop. FWIR Simon and I used to get beat by a second or two by the MTXer's in AutoX, once Simon did the TG swap he was running very close to the MTX guys. In a nutshell that ATX's are slower because of those transfer gears.
Psst... 2.86:1 is taller than 3.94:1. MTX's shorter gearing makes it faster. 3.94 is also only the final drive ratio for R/T's, ACR's and 1g DOHC's. Normal Neons are 3.43 I think.

You're correct on the on the 2.86 being taller. But we're both wrong on the ATX final drive, it's 2.98. Still a BIG diff vs 3.94 on the MTX.

http://www.neons.org/faq/2kfaq/FAQ_2KET.html
http://www.robskorner.freehomepage.com/ ... trans.html
http://www.geocities.com/namastefolks/neon.html

Stonebender · Post by **Stonebender** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:34 pm

Yeah, and I was wrong about the normal Neon final drive. It's really 3.55:1.